The results to last week's Fun Online Poll were as follows:
Which of the following applies to you...
Pro-Brexit; pro-Catalan independence - 78%
Anti-Brexit; pro-Catalan independence - 7%
Pro-Brexit, anti-Catalan independence - 11%
Anti-Brexit; anti-Catalan independence - 3%
Good, I'm with the intellectually coherent majority on this. Thanks to all 99 who took part.
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Re my post of yesterday, this week's Fun Online Poll is about maths and logic:
"3% of £80 is more than 0.5% of £100. So what would raise more revenue - Land Value Tax or a general Wealth Tax?"
Vote here or use the widget in the sidebar.
Wednesday, 11 October 2017
Fun Online Polls: Brexit, Catalonia and the French wealth tax reforms
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Monday, 2 October 2017
Fun Online Polls: Crash for cash; Brexit and Catalonia
The results to last week's Fun Online Poll were as follows:
Certain parts of Birmingham, Bradford, Manchester and Oldham topped the league for Crash for Cash. Do these areas have anything else in common?
No - 3%
Yes, but I'd rather not say it out loud - 63%
Yes, it's… [please specify] - 33%
Of those who had the nerve to say something, six said what I was thinking. But it's probably a complete coincidence. What's worrying is that two-thirds of respondents - me included - don't dare say what they think.
Thanks to all sixty who took part, as ever!
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People's views on Catalania's possible independence raise some interesting questions, if you compare and contrast with their views on Brexit.
I'm a small government liberal-cum-troublemaker, so I was all in favour of the Scottish independence referendum and had no strong view either way (it being none of my business); I voted leave in the EU referendum; and I see no reason why Catalonia shouldn't become independent, they've made their views perfectly clear for long enough. That is, I think, an intellectually coherent approach.
The stereotypical lefties are dead against Brexit but are in favour of Catalan independence; the conservative-nationalists were against Scottish independence, were in favour of Brexit and are against Catalan independence. I can see some sort of pattern in either case.
I'm just not sure about the fourth category - people who are against Brexit and against Catalan independence. Putting EU shills* and Spanish nationalists to one side, where do they fit in? Are they left-conservative? Scared of any change ever? The 'liberal metropolitan elite' or those aspiring to be?
So that's this week's Fun Online Poll, just to see how many are in this mystery fourth category.
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* UPDATE: I think the EU's official statement (h/t @ProfSteveKeen) makes their position clear enough:
Under the Spanish Constitution, yesterday's vote in Catalonia was not legal.
For the European Commission, as President Juncker has reiterated repeatedly, this is an internal matter for Spain that has to be dealt with in line with the constitutional order of Spain.
We also reiterate the legal position held by this Commission as well as by its predecessors. If a referendum were to be organised in line with the Spanish Constitution it would mean that the territory leaving would find itself outside of the European Union.
Beyond the purely legal aspects of this matter, the Commission believes that these are times for unity and stability, not divisiveness and fragmentation.
We call on all relevant players to now move very swiftly from confrontation to dialogue. Violence can never be an instrument in politics. We trust the leadership of Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy to manage this difficult process in full respect of the Spanish Constitution and of the fundamental rights of citizens enshrined therein.
Are they mental? How can a vote not be "legal"? It might not be in any way binding, being more of an opinion poll/peaceful protest, but neither of those are actually illegal, are they?
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Thursday, 11 September 2014
Scots referendum, the debate moves down a level...
There was a letter in the Times yesterday suggesting that with the referendum polls so close, Scotland's 16 and 17 year olds could effectively decide her future. Now most of MW's readers probably don't befriend many young Scots SNP supporters on facebook.
But since someone on a rival Aberdeenshire cricket team added me, and fits the bill, I can use copy and paste to give you all an insight into the kind of propaganda the kids are circulating up here:
On oil:
Scotland would get about 90% of the oil revenues. Speaking of revenues; Scotland has generated more tax per person than the rest of the UK in each and every one of the last 30 years and that includes a period when the oil price was as low as $10 a barrel and revenues just a tenth of what they have been in recent years...
Norway discovered oil and gas at the same time as Scotland, and has been able to use this wealth to become one of the very wealthiest countries on earth in terms of GDP per head of population and also now sits at the very top of world wellbeing and equality league tables.
Another important comparison with Norway relates to the establishment of a “sovereign wealth fund”. Unlike the UK, since 1996 the Norwegian government has been investing proceeds from its oil revenues into an investment fund so that future generations can benefit too. That fund is now worth over £500 billion (£100,000 per person)...
Margaret Thatcher's Westminster government used the North Sea revenue to fund tax cuts for the rich. An independent Scotland could still choose to invest in a similar "rainy day fund", building a secure legacy for the future. Remember there are up 24 billion barrels of oil still to be extracted from the North Sea with a wholesale value of up to £1.5 trillion."
On tax and spend:
The Scottish economy made £120 billion last year and only received £32 billion of it to spend while the rest went AWOL...
Let's take it in a literal sense, picture you as the Scottish government and Me as Westminster.. What currently happens is effectively like you getting paid £1000, giving it to Me and only getting you £250 to spend. Then if you give me more powers (ie. If Scotland voting no) then I will only give you maybe £200 next month because there is nothing you can do about it meaning you have to sell your ipad and your phone to make money - it's not being done through choice, it just has to be done for you to get by.
Scotland is massively wealthy so why there are 100,000 kids in poverty is a joke.
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Monday, 8 September 2014
Fun Online Polls: Dealing with ISIS & The Jonah Effect
The responses to last week's Fun Online Poll were as follows:
How should the UK respond to ISIS?
Full military confrontation - 12%
Restrict ourselves to tactical bombing raids - 9%
Provide anti-IS forces with weapons and support - 21%
Don't get involved at all - 51%
Don't know - 7%
That seems pretty conclusive to me and a good turnout as well, thank you to everybody who took part.
Top comments:
DBC Reed: This kind of discussion in a "Fun Online Poll" seems well sick.
Ljh: Nuke Mecca! See if Allah intervenes. A glowing hole in the desert is a huge negative when it comes to future recruitment drives.
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Going back to an off the cuff remark by Lola...
15 August 2014: GORDON Brown has said talks on extending devolution should begin the day after the referendum if independence is defeated as he stated that the UK would be a “federal state” within two years with Holyrood and other regions of the UK handed equal status to Westminster.
The former Prime Minister talked about the “sharing of sovereignty” across the UK as he called for Scotland and the English regions to “unite” to demand a shift in power away from Westminster during an appearance at the Edinburgh International Book Festival.
6 September 2014: A poll has given the Yes campaign the lead for the first time during the Scottish referendum campaign...
The poll shows a four-point increase in support for Yes from the last YouGov poll published earlier this week. The No camp were leading by 14 points in mid-August and 22 points early last month, when undecided voters were excluded.
That's this week's Fun Online Poll.
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Friday, 5 September 2014
Scottish independence: fun with numbers
A lot of the English politicians and commentators are saying that if Scotland left the United Kingdom, it would severely weaken the UK's global influence blah blah blah. Well, the UK has little global influence and I don't see why we need it, but let's address the issue.
Let's assume the Scots vote 'Yes' (and I will be laughing like a drain if they do); become an independent country; leave NATO; refuse to accept their share of the UK government debt (while merrily taking their share of UK government assets like roads, bridges and buildings, which is a bit of a cheek) and keep all the North Sea oil revenues to themselves.
What would this mean for the rest of the UK?
Pretty much naff all.
1. The ONS says that the UK population is 64.1 million, an increase of about 5 million since the 2001 census. Scotland's population is 5.3 million. So in population growth terms, that has knocked the UK back about fifteen years.
2. NATO members are supposed to be spending (wasting?) about 2% of their GDP on defence. So that's about £32 billion a year for the UK. Even if the residual UK has to pay for Scotland's 'share', that's an extra cost of about £3 billion a year.
3. The National Debt was a very manageable 40% of GDP until 2007 and has shot up to 89% of GDP since then; financial crises don't come cheap! So it's been going up at 7% a year. If the rest of the UK has to shoulder all of it, that will increase our per capita National Debt by about 9%, in other words, it adds an extra fifteen months' worth of deficit. Which is not good, but not a catastrophe.
4. North Sea oil revenues are dwindling anyway. Over the past few decades, the extra per capita spending in Scotland (aka 'Barnett Formula') has been broadly equal to North Sea oil revenues; so the UK would lose a bit of income but lose a larger amount of extra spending, which is a net win for the rest of the UK and will go towards paying for the extra costs from 2.
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Saturday, 23 August 2014
Why does no-one mention Ireland?
The Scottish independence referendum is much in the news as we come up to the vote and one of the main weaknesses of the nationalists is their insistence that they will keep the pound, which the unionists decry as unworkable. Indeed, it was on this very point that Alastair Darling landed his most telling blow on Alex Salmond in the recent televised debate.
Yet no one ever seems to mention the experience of Ireland, where the newly independent state used sterling for seven years and then pegged its currency to the pound for a further fifty. You would have thought that the nationalists would be holding this up as an example of what could be achieved, and putting the unionists on the defensive, challenging them to say exactly why it couldn't be implemented for Scotland, but they don't.
It's just another mystery, to go alongside why the Tories, who would be almost guaranteed a majority in Parliament if Scotland were independent, are so against independence.
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Thursday, 24 April 2014
"Cornish people granted serf status"
From the BBC:
Cornish people have been granted serf status under Prince Charles' new rules for his now independent Duchy.
Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander will make the announcement on a visit to the country later.
Dick Cole, leader of Mebyon Kernow, which campaigned for Cornish devolution, said: "This is a fantastic development. This is a proud day for Cornwall. We salute our new overlord!"
The Cornish will gain the same status as communities in mediaeval and feudal times. Elections have been deemed unnecessary and the leaders of Mebyon Kernow will be burned at the stake.
A spokesman for Prince Charles, who is due to visit Bodmin as soon as they have finished building a castle for him, said:
"Cornish people have a proud history and a distinct identity. I am delighted that we have been able to officially recognise this and afford the Cornish people the same status as their forefathers."
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Thursday, 27 February 2014
"Standard Life could quit India"
From the BBC:
Standard Life is putting in place contingency plans to relocate its call centres back to the UK if Indian people vote for independence and if material uncertainties about money and regulation are not sorted to its satisfaction.
In its annual report, published on Thursday, the chairman of the Edinburgh-based pensions and savings firm, Gerry Grimstone, says India has been a great base for outsourcing some of the company's administrative functions but that, "if anything were to threaten this, we will take whatever action we consider necessary - including transferring parts of our operations out of India again - in order to ensure continuity and to protect the interests of our stakeholders".
According to Standard Life's chief executive, David Nish, the company - which has had call centres and IT functions in India for 19 years - has "started work to establish additional registered companies to operate outside India, into which we could transfer parts of our operations if necessary".
"This is a precautionary measure to ensure continuity of our businesses' competitive position and to protect the interests of our stakeholders."
Standard Life is the first business with a significant Indian presence to warn that maintaining it may be untenable in the event of a vote for independence.
"What? India has been independent since 1947? Why did nobody tell me? Oh God! Do they still use sterling at least?"
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Friday, 21 February 2014
This is how to do it.
From Reuters:
Opponents of Ukraine's president declared political autonomy in the major western city of Lviv on Wednesday after a night of violence when protesters seized public buildings and forced police to surrender.
Raising the prospect of Ukraine splitting along a historic cultural and linguistic fault line, the regional assembly in Lviv, a bastion of Ukrainian nationalism near the Polish border, issued a statement condemning President Viktor Yanukovich's government for its "open warfare" on demonstrators in Kiev and saying it took executive power locally for itself.
[I accept that it is quite possible that the wicked Western empire-builders, the EU and the USA/CIA have been fomenting these protests in Ukraine in order to get one over the Russians, but frankly, the Russians are far, far worse by any standards. As a landlocked country stuck between these two blocs, there isn't really a middle way for them and faced with the choice I'd rather be in a satellite of the EU/NATO than of Russia.]
There's a lesson here for Scotland.
You don't need to muck about for years bickering about which currency to use, what kind of passports to issue, who gets the embassies and all that minor administrative nonsense, you just sneak off while the central government is busy with some other crisis - whether that's slaughtering protesters or tramping around in Wellington boots is neither here nor.
Best of luck Galicia! The question now is, will the EU follow through and recognise it as a separate country or will they chicken out as per usual? (I do suspect that plenty of top Eurocrats are in the pay of the Russian oligarchs anyway.)
See also: Somaliland.
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Tuesday, 18 February 2014
Readers' Letters Of The Day
Here are another couple of items which were on my to-blog list, which popped up in today's Metro:
So Scotland might not be able to join the EU if it becomes and independent country? That sounds like a big incentive for the Scots to vote for independence from Britain.
Keith, Warwickshire.
There is of course no such country or even place as "Britain", but the point stands.
Chopping onions doesn't seem to make you cry any more. Try it.
Paul, Surrey.
Now this I definitely have noticed, very gradually over the past twenty years or so. I wondered whether it was just me, or building up a resistance with age, but clearly it isn't.
Did they go to the trouble of breeding "non-lachrymal onions"? Quite possibly they did, but why didn't they boast about it?
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Thursday, 30 January 2014
More nonsense on currencies
From the BBC:
The Bank of England governor has said an independent Scotland would need to give up some power to make a currency union with the rest of the UK work.
Mark Carney said such a move, proposed by the Scottish government, "requires some ceding of national sovereignty". He also said the risks of not having a strong agreement had been demonstrated by problems in the Eurozone.
Nope.
There are plenty of examples of countries using "somebody else's" currency, i.e. countries not actually in the official Euro-zone which use the Euro or whose currencies are pegged to the Euro.
For sure, notes and coins issued by those countries might not be accepted as legal tender in the Euro-zone itself, but so what? We always had that with Scottish bank notes in the UK, and this is a bit of a red herring as 99%* of transactions by value are entirely electronic nowadays.
Would Scotland have to pay a slightly higher interest rate on GBP-denominated borrowing that England and Wales, or a higher interest rate on EUR-denominated borrowing than Germany or The Netherlands?
Quite possibly, that depends entirely on Scotland's credit rating. We know that interest rates on government debt are different in different countries in the Euro-zone. That's no different to UK businesses all using GBP but paying different interest rates on their borrowings.
If Scotland reduced public sector waste, ran a sensible tax system, got their economy going and didn't run large deficits, then they'd end up being able to borrow more cheaply than England & Wales or the PIIGS, that's for them to sort out.
The size of the country or economy plays little role in this. The Netherlands has lower borrowing costs than Germany because they run a tight ship. See also: Switzerland.
But what we have learned is that currency unions benefit the wealthier, central and more productive regions and make things even worse for the poorer, peripheral and marginal regions, and much the same applies to using a common currency, even if there is no formal arrangement in place.
So basically an independent Scotland can use whatever currency it wants, GBP, EUR, SCP, USD, that is a relatively minor decision (see also: Vaclav Klaus' comment about sorting all this out in an afternoon when Czechosovakia was split up).
All that matters is whether Scotland is run properly. If they mess up, then whichever currency they use, it will end badly for them.
* Made-up figure, I couldn't be bothered looking it up.
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Friday, 29 June 2012
David Tutt: Eastbourne will be independent in a generation
From the BBC:
Eastbourne will be independent within a generation and part of a British "neighbourhood of nations", according to the Borough Council's leader.
David Tutt says the UK's towns and cities share a common language and cultures shaped by their relationships with each other. "England is not just a neighbour to us," writes Mr Tutt in The Eastbourne Herald. "She is our sister nation too. A slightly irritating older sister who 'borrows' our make-up and clothes and never brings them back."
With Scotland due to vote on independence in 2014, British history is at "a hinge point", he says. Mr Tutt was in Hastings on Friday for a meeting of the East Sussex Local Councillors' Association. In an article for The Eastbourne Herald newspaper, he suggests the East Sussex-Kreis Pinneberg Twin County Agreement as a model for future co-operation between Eastbourne and the rest of the United Kingdom.
He says: "With a seat for everyone at the table there will be plenty of areas where we will be able to pool and share solutions and creativity in a strong partnership of equals, which, within a generation, I am sure, will include an independent Eastbourne. Instead of clinging to the straitjacket of the single state it's time we all began to embrace this future Britain, a neighbourhood of nations, sovereign, democratic and free."
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Monday, 25 June 2012
Nice little house price bubble you've got going there, shame if anything were to happen to it...
Danny Alexander came up with a splendid Home-Owner-Ist argument against Scottish independence as reported in The Daily Express:
SCOTTISH homeowners (1) could face a £1billion increase in their mortgage bills if the country becomes independent, it was claimed yesterday. Danny Alexander, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, predicted that Scotland may not inherit the UK's coveted AAA credit rating (2), which determines the cost of borrowing on the international money markets.(3) That could force up interest rates for Scottish banks, (4) leading to bigger repayments for hundreds of thousands of mortgage-holders and small businesses.(5)
Where do you start?
1) It's not "homeowners" who'll pay more in interest, it's "mortgage borrowers".
2) Scotland might well not be rated AAA. But the UK might lose its AAA rating anyway. So that's a highly speculative claim. And it all depends on how much of the UK's national debt Scotland is prepared to take on.
3) "However, Finance Secretary John Swinney described the claims as "economic illiteracy" and said it was "deeply worrying" that a senior Coalition minister did not know the difference between the interest rates paid on government bonds and private bank lending."
That has the makings of a fair point. The credit rating of banks depends largely on the credit rating of the government which is propping them up, which is still likely to be the UK post-independence (see 4), so the government's credit rating has some influence on the interest rate which banks have to pay, but it probably has f- all influence on the interest rate which mortgage borrowers pay to the banks.
4) Which "Scottish banks"does he mean? Does he mean Lloyds-Halifax-Bank of Scotland or Royal Bank of Scotland-NatWest? Nobody has debated whether the UK government or the Scottish government will be responsible for propping them up post-independence. If the UK were to fob it off onto Scotland then all Hell would break loose, with "hard pressed hard working homeowners" (TM Gordon Brown) in England also facing higher interest charges, so that seems unlikely.
5) All this glosses over the fact that higher interest rates are bad for leveraged land price speculators but great for cash savers, and that small businesses barely borrow anything from banks in the first place.
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Friday, 25 May 2012
Robert Burns and Scottish Indepedence
By Dr Duncan Pickard (as received by email):
"Those who are trying to persuade us to vote for Scottish ‘Independence’ are keen to imply that Robert Burns would have supported their cause. It cannot have been simple coincidence that January 25th was chosen for the speech and press conference to declare the supposed benefits to the people of Scotland of a vote for 'Independence'. My reading of Burns has led me to conclude that he would not have been in favour of the 'Independence' we are asked to choose.
Burns' enthusiasm for freedom, liberty, independence and the end of tyranny was on behalf of individual people, not the county of Scotland. The tyrants whom Burns wanted to be rid of were the landowners, who were the rulers of Scotland -not the English. The poem "Scots! Vha hae wi' Wallace bled" had nothing to do with rousing the Scots of the late eighteenth century to fight for independence for their country. It was a call for his compatriots to fight for their freedom from the tyrannical oppression by Scottish landowners.
He tried to make the people aware of their Birthright in Land, and wanted the fundamental features of the English Constitution, laid down in 1688, to be established in Scotland. He by no means wished to revive old national feuds. Burns was a close friend of William Ogilvie, Professor of Humanity at the University of Aberdeen who wrote his Essay on the Right of Property in Land in 1781. Such were the powers of the landlord, that the essay had to be published anonymously. At that time, it was a criminal offence to be found with a copy of "The Rights of Man" by Thomas Paine.
In 1793 Thomas Muir was deported for supporting calls for the extension of the right to vote and Burns only narrowly escaped conviction. It is worth noting that, in 1793, Burns gave a copy of "De Lolme on the British Constitution" to the Subscription Library of Dumfries, with a plea "that they take it as a creed of British Liberty, until they found a better". Burns' poem "The Twa Dogs", which was inspired by his friendship with Ogilvie, avoided overt disclosure of his agreement with the sentiments expressed in the Essay and refers to Ogilvie as Caesar and himself as Luath, to protect both their identities. Ogilvie's Essay was suppressed for many years and few were aware of its existence until it was brought to public attention in 1891 by DC MacDonald.
Ogilvie's Essay is a well-reasoned discourse on the fundamental birthright which everyone has to a share in the earth's natural resources which were present before human beings appeared on its surface. He traced the "oppression, misery, injustice and poverty of the majority" to the unjust acquisition of the 'Right of Property in Land' by a minority of the population. The ability of those who owned the land "to produce Land Laws, preserved their power to claim the rent resulting from the labour of others". Ogilvie's introduction to his Essay states "With respect to property in land, that system which now prevails is derived from an age not deserving to be extolled for its legislative wisdom and is in need of reformation and improvement". A statement that is as true in 2012 as it was in l781.
The reformation and improvement which Ogilvie proposed was the Single Tax, whereby the annual rental value of all land would be collected by the government to pay for its necessary functions. He regarded it as inherently unjust to levy taxes on landless working people whilst leaving those who owned land to keep its unearned rental revenue. Ogilvie was quite clear that individual people cannot enjoy genuine freedom and independence by their acquisition of political freedom. They also have to be granted economic freedom and that cannot occur when their earnings, obtained as a result of their own labour, are taxed by the state which leaves the unearned rental value of land with those who have the unjust right to claim ownership of it.
Those who seek to use Robert Burns in their quest for 'Independence' for Scotland would be well advised to study the words of the poet in detail and understand what he meant by freedom and independence. Although everyone has heard of Robert Burns, not many are aware of his desire to improve the condition of poor, oppressed people everywhere. He agreed with Ogilvie that any improvement could only come through land and tax reform. William Ogilvie should be a name familiar to all who have ambitions for economic prosperity and social justice.
The simplistic belief that the separation of Scotland from the rest of the United Kingdom will result in economic prosperity for all will only lead to disillusion and disappointment without land and tax reform. The aims of any government should be to maximise the people's standard of living whilst minimising their cost of living and minimising the cost of doing business. These aims are not compatible with a tax system which favours the ownership of landed property and discourages employment and enterprise."
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Monday, 30 January 2012
Fun Online Polls: Scottish independence & eliminating the deficit
There was a late surge in last week's Fun Online Poll, and the final result in the second and final round is as follows:
Which is your preferred option?
Abolish the Scottish Parliament and scrap devolution - 53% (29%)
Full independence for Scotland outside the UK - 47% (41%)
The figures in brackets are the votes for those two options in the first round held the week before. So there was a slight change of heart in the final round, but that is the end of that, the people have spoken.
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The government is bleating on about maybe cutting taxes or reducing government debt but is not actually doing either. If we rule out tax increases to eliminate the annual deficit, then the only option is to reduce spending.
The Public Sector Finances Databank (available here, Excel), tells us total government spending and tax receipts back to the 1970s. Forecast total revenues (mainly taxation but also other bits and pieces) for 2012-13 ar £594 billion (Tab C2) and spending is pencilled in at £715 billion (Tab B1), giving us a deficit and increase in total debt of £121 billion, which strikes me as pretty horrific.
If we assume average price/wage inflation of 3% a year, it is easy to go back and identify the last year in which government spending was no more than £594 billion in real terms, which happens to be 2003-04. Spending in that year was £456 billion, using Excel, 456*(1.03^9)=594, so in real terms it was £594 billion.*
So that's this week's Fun Online Poll. Vote here or use the widget in the sidebar.
* If you are happy to return us to The Dark Ages of the 1997-2001 Labour government, then spending would be about £500 billion a year and there'd be scope for pretty hefty tax cuts as well, we'll deal with that possibility later on.
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Monday, 23 January 2012
Fun Online Polls: Scottish Independence: Second and final Round
There was no overall majority in the first round...
Which is your preferred option?
Full independence for Scotland outside the UK - 41%
Abolish the Scottish Parliament and scrap devolution - 29%
"Devolution Max" - 13%
Stick with the status quo - 7%
Other, please specify - 10%
... so the two most popular options go through to the final round (as explained last week).
Cast your vote here or use the widget in the sidebar. To make it more like a proper referendum, I've removed the "view" button and disallowed comments.
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Thursday, 19 January 2012
Alex Salmond
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Monday, 16 January 2012
Fun Online Polls: Republican candidates & Scottish independence
Thanks, as ever, to everyone who took part in last week's Fun Online Poll:
Whom would you like to see as the Republican candidate for President?
Ron Paul - 85%
Newt Gingrich - 6%
Rick Sanatorium - 5%
Mitt Romney - 3%
Jon Hunstman - 1%
Rick Perry - 0%
If I'd known it was going to be that one-sided I'd have voted for somebody else, to be honest. Where's the fun in being a Ron Paul supporter if you're in the majority?
For the record, Gingrich and Sanatorium are Roman Catholics; Romney and Huntsman are Mormons; Perry is a fundamentalist Methodist and Paul has "five children who were baptized Episcopalian... Raised a Lutheran, Paul later became a church-going Baptist. Whatever that means.
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There was an infuriating letter in today's FT from an SNP MSP, in which he baldly stated:
"Having the referendum on Scotland's future decided by the 56m UK citizens elsewhere in the UK is as risible an idea as having the UK's membership of the EU being decided by all 500m of its citizens."
Well, exactly not.
i. It's like membership of a club: any individual member is free to leave and a majority of members are free to chuck out any individual member, but a majority of members cannot prevent an individual member from leaving.
ii. If Scottish people in Scotland are allowed to vote, why not Scottish people elsewhere in the UK or self-professed 'Ulster Scots' like Peter Robinson (crikey, I didn't know there was such a thing)? What about English, Welsh or Irish people who live in Scotland? And if we go that far, why not allow avowed non-Scots living elsewhere in the UK to vote on whether Scotland ought to be chucked out and/or whether they'd like England, Wales or Northern Ireland to secede from the UK (although logic says that non-Scots would not be allowed to keep Scotland in the UK against their will)? And so on.
So that's this week's Fun Online Poll, open to everybody regardless of race, creed or colour. If there is no clear majority in Round 1, the two most popular choices go through to Round 2.
Vote here or use the widget in the sidebar.
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Friday, 13 January 2012
George Osborne talks nonsense on financial implications of Scottish independence
There's a lot of guff talked on both sides, and as ever, it is not clear whether they really are that stupid, or whether they are playing a clever double bluff where the supposedly Unionist Tories actually want to rile the Scots into leaving and the SNP secretly know they'd never win a referendum in Scotland, and just see the whole thing as a way of screwing more subsidies out of Whitehall, who are - allegedly - keen to keep Scotland in the Union. The expression "he has a bargaining chip on his shoulder" springs to mind.
Bearing this in mind, let's see what Osborne is reported to have said. From The Independent:
George Osborne last night fired the opening shots of the campaign against Scottish independence, warning that Scotland would risk a euro-style debt crisis if it left the United Kingdom.(1) The Chancellor also claimed that Scotland standing alone would be unable to withstand a second financial shock and would deter foreign investors.(2)
He spoke out as Downing Street signalled its belief that Scotland would have to accept its share of the toxic assets of the Royal Bank of Scotland following its £46bn bailout by the UK taxpayer.(3)
The Coalition Government believes the SNP administration headed by Alex Salmond would be vulnerable to a challenge over the practicalities of how an independent Scotland would operate – a stance shared by Labour leaders. Pro-Union politicians are now preparing to focus the debate on four main questions – what currency would operate north of the border, what proportion of the UK's debts Scotland would have to assume, the future of the armed forces and whether border controls would have to be introduced.(4)
Mr Osborne raised the spectre of an independent Scotland joining the single currency when it is in deep crisis. He told ITV News: "Alex Salmond has said Scotland should join the euro... That is not the currency I'd be wanting to join at a time like this... (5) I don't think Scotland would be as prosperous as it would be as part of the UK. I think there are businesses that are nervous about investing in Scotland when they don't know about its constitutional future." (6)
Mr Osborne suggested an independent Scotland would have struggled to cope with the financial crisis of 2008. He said: "If... you ask yourself 'would Scotland alone have been able to bail out the Royal Bank of Scotland or Halifax Bank of Scotland'? (7) You ask these questions and you begin to see actually Scotland is better off in terms of jobs and prosperity being part of the UK and, by the way, the rest of the UK is better off with Scotland as well." (8)
1) Nope. That all depends on how recklessly the Scottish government spends. So it's not our problem and it's not like the UK government, also led mainly by Scots, has a good record on spending.
2) There's more to it than that, see (7) below.
3) Not just a share, all of them. I covered this yesterday evening.
4) As to currencies, see (5). Scotland's share of National Debt has been provisionally agreed at 8.4% (see post of yesterday morning). Armed forces is not an issue, it's not like we are going to invade each other, and it's up to Scotland whether they join in the UK's madcap adventures around the globe in future.
Border controls is an interesting one, what it boils down to is: if we agree to have common border controls/immigration rules for the whole of Great Britain, no controls are necessary at the English/Scottish border or on ferries between Northern Ireland/Scotland (the model followed by EU member states). Or the Scots can have their own immigration rules. If theirs are tighter than ours, then it'll be the Scots who want border controls and vice versa (compare the difference between US/Canadian border and US/Mexican border).
5) Scottish people can use any currency they want. Practicalities say they would continue to use sterling for the time being, and Salmond has said as much. Osborne can huff and puff as much as he wants, there is nothing to stop them from denominating transactions in sterling. Whether £1 backed by the Scottish central bank is worth more or less than £1 backed by the Bank of England is another question; but those businesses who trade with England can sidestep this problem by having sterling accounts with English banks for making/accepting sterling payments to/from English suppliers/customers.
6) That's his opinion and he's entitled to it. I don't see the relevance though.
7) The answer is "No, they probably wouldn't. So they would have been forced to do an Iceland, which would have been a very good thing indeed for all of us. RBS and HBOS would have sorted themselves out with debt-for-equity swaps, at zero cost to either English or Scottish taxpayers. Or possibly they would have been stupid enough to do an Ireland, which would have been a fantastic result for the English - a foreign government bails out our depositors and bondholders."
8) Wholly unsubstantiated claims. There are economies and diseconomies of scale with increasing population size, but once you get past a population of five million, they are negligible either way. There are plenty of countries with populations of five million or less, and there is nothing to suggest that they are markedly worse off for it. And whether the UK has a population of 62 million or 57 million is completely irrelevant. Finally, if it all goes wrong, we can always merge our two countries again.
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Thursday, 12 January 2012
From a fiscal point of view, Scottish independence would be a non-event.
This topic seems to generate a lot of passion on both sides, the Daily Mail article has so far attracted over 1,700 comments, which is unusually high even by the Mail's standards.
As to the finances, it boils down to three main items which more or less net off to nothing:
1. The Scots would draw a new boundary for the Continental shelf, basically a straight line heading due East from the English/Scottish border, see map here and collect North Sea oil revenues from their patch. According to that same link, Scotland's ninety per cent share of North Sea oil revenues would be about £10 billion a year. On the BBC yesterday, they quoted a lower figure of £6.5 billion.
2. UK government spending is skewed towards the three non-English nations and poorer areas in England. According to Wiki's write up of the Barnett Formula (as poor old Lord Joel Barnett has been saying for decades, it's not a bloody formula!), average spending per capita per year in Scotland is about £1,200 higher than the average for the rest of the UK. So the UK as a whole subsidises Scotland to the tune of £6.2 billion.
3. Alex Salmond conceded yesterday that Scotland would assume a share of existing UK government debt, proportional to population or GDP. GDP per capita is about the same so we can split it proportional to population and Scotland's share would be 5.2 million/62 million = 8.4% and if UK government debt in 2015 is £1,400 billion or thereabouts, then Scotlan's share would be £118 billion. Let's guess the average interest rate on UK government debt at 3%. As a small/new country, Scotland would end up paying a bit more than that, say 3.2% and the interest rate on the residual UK's debt would fall ever so slightly.
The net position is thus as follows:
1. Scotland gains £10 billion a year;
2. Scotland loses £6.2 billion a year;
3. Scotland loses £3.8 billion a year interest (assuming debt is rolled over in perpetuity).
Scotland's gains = rest of UK's losses and vice versa.
To my untrained eye, that looks like a nil overall position. Of course, oil revenues can go up or down quite markedly; there are different ways of calculating per-capita overspend in Scotland; and interest rates can go up or down (and we don't know what the Scottish premium would be). So each team of negotiators has to do its own forecasts and then bring them into balance by increasing or reducing Scotland's share of UK national debt accordingly. Provided that each party expects to at least break even on the final agreed deal, then the deal is worth doing, end of.
There are of course lots of other bits and pieces that have to be looked at; whether UK nuclear submarines will stay in Faslane and whether the UK Navy will still pay for ships to built in Scotland; who is responsible for paying the old age and public sector pensions for people who have worked and lived both in Scotland and elsewhere in the UK, but we can apply the same principles. It is not an intractable problem.
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