The results to last week's Fun Online Poll were as follows:
How would you feel if house prices fell by a third?
Pleased for the many "priced out" who can now afford to buy their own home - 88%
Angry that my "wealth" has been diminished - 12%
A good turnout with 97 votes, thanks to the other 8 people who retweeted and the 2 who posted on FB.
I was with the majority on this. Top comment:
The Cowboy Online: Another vote for 'Pleased'; it wouldn't be great for me personally, I would be stuck with negative equity, but I wouldn't lose my home and it would mean others would be able to get one.
Negative equity is a bugger for those owner-occupiers stuck with it, but if the house price fall were expected to be permanent or long term, it only seems fair to write down mortgages to the new lower selling prices. It was the banks who pushed up house prices and mortgage to silly levels and they ought to take the losses on the chin. BTL landlords can whistle for it though, they're supposed to be in it for the long term, and if they can't sell, so what?
The Homeys always use "the danger of nequity" as an argument against anything that would push house prices down. What it boils down to is bank propaganda: we'd rather keep creating mortgages of £200,000 each than have to write down some of our mortgage book and only be able to create mortgages of £150,000. Future buyers are being sacrificed, ostensibly in order to protect some recent purchasers, but actually to protect the banks.
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This whole Charlie Gard story is none of my business and as politicians like to say, "I can't comment on individual cases", but isn't that the whole point? This sort of thing is not the job of government-appointed arbitrators; and if politicians aren't prepared to face up to the individual consequences of laws they impose, isn't that copping out? That said, the NHS has to operate some sort of cost-benefit analysis, and if the NHS decides not to fund his further treatment, I've no problems with that.
So that's this week's Online Poll (no Fun, this week).
"If it were up to you, would you allow Charlie Gard's parents to take him to the USA for treatment?"
Vote here or use the widget in the sidebar.
Monday, 10 July 2017
Fun Online Polls: A house price crash; Charlie Gard
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Monday, 7 December 2015
Outbreak of commonsense in Finland.
From City AM:
Just days after George Osborne announced his latest mass of adjustments to Britain’s tax and spend system, reports from Finland revealed that its government is looking into a somewhat simpler policy – giving each Finn €800 (£576) a month.
This may seem like madness. Why, I’m sure many of you will ask, should folk be handed money purely for existing? Won’t people respond by just sitting around doing nothing? Evidence suggests not. In fact, the Finnish experiment – if it goes ahead – is designed to reduce unemployment, which currently stands at over nine per cent...
And so on, all good stuff.
The interesting bit is this: "the policy, despite sounding – prima facie – like a left-wing fantasy, has been endorsed over the decades by pro-market economists such as Milton Friedman... This proposal is similar to a system endorsed by the free-market Adam Smith Institute called a 'negative income tax'."
That struck me after the vote on whether RAF planes should bomb Syria. Proper 'left wing' MPs voted against (Greens and most of the Labour Party), as did a few proper 'right wing/libertarian' MPs' such as David Davies and Peter Hollobone. Nigel Farage MEP also came out against.
So there are overlaps between 'fantasy left' and 'free-market/libertarian'. There are plenty of other examples, like legalising drugs or replacing taxes on earnings and output with LVT. The two groups give different reasons for supporting the policy, but they both come to the right conclusion, which is the main thing.
Hence and why I am perfectly happy to describe myself as "left/libertarian", which of course means I get shot by all sides, from the greenies, socialists, Conservatives, Homeys and Faux Libertarians alike.
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Sunday, 24 May 2015
Killer Arguments Against LVT, Not (359)
Ian B, in the comments a few years ago here:
… and then Mr Georgist Tax Assessor comes along, slaps a massive tax bill on the nature reserve or the rose garden, and it has to close. For the Greater Good, you see.
That is why I’m a Libertarian. And more than that, a Propertarian Lbertarian. In so many crucial respects, liberty stems from property. Without property, liberty tends to be in rather short supply. For the Greater Good, of course.
All right, let's row back a bit.
In an ideal world, having a secular, democratic and free-trade capitalist society enables total freedom to be maximised - freedom from religious oppression, despotism, hunger and want; the freedom to choose what sort of job you want to do; an equal say in who gets the keys to Number 10 Downing Street; and of course the state-protected right to occupy certain bits of land undisturbed by others.
That last 'property liberty' is only one of many mutually-supporting freedoms, it is not the be-all and end-all; the notion that a person is entitled to have exclusive, state-guaranteed occupation of land without having to pay anything for the privilege is not on the list.
The minute you start restricting some people's individual, subjective freedom in order to increase other people's individual, subjective freedom then the sum total of freedom has gone down, not up. If one man's liberty comes at a cost to others, that is not true liberty.
(NB - these generalisations do not not apply to some one-sided restrictions of course - if they allow gay marriage, that increases the freedom of gay people without restricting the freedom of heterosexual people; if they legalise soft drugs, then that enhances the liberty of people who wish to trade in or consume them without in any way restricting the liberty of the majority who wouldn't touch the stuff.
Neither do they apply to trade-offs like speed limits in residential areas. A 5 mph hour speed limit is a huge benefit to residents but a huge burden on people who want to get from A to B. A 70 mph speed limit is the opposite, so there has to be a liberty maximising speed limit of 20 mph or 30 mph).
For example, let's look at the right to vote, which is given for free and as of right to (nearly) every adult over 18 in this country. We have decided that this maximises our total freedom. We could turn the clock back a century and only allow men to vote; this clearly reduces women's liberty a heck of a lot but only increases the liberty of men by a smaller amount. The sum-total of all liberty has gone down.
A more extreme case is slave-ownership. If you allow it, then those who own slaves are clearly more free than those who don;t; and those who don't are more free than the slaves. But the sum total of all freedom is increased when slave-ownership is abolished - slaves gain the most; they are now more productive (as they work for pay) so those who didn't own slaves end up better off (more output to go round more equally) and former slave-owners end up worse off. This is why the Union states beat the Confederate states - they had industrial might on their side.
So overall, there is an increase in total liberty when slaves are freed, given the vote and put on an equal footing with everybody else.
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OK, if you hadn't grasped the analogies yet:
- any form of taxation other than taxation of land and monopolies reduces total freedom, business and job opportunities and reduces total output i.e. wealth.
- 'Land ownership' and 'the nation state' are synonymous, you cannot have one without the other. Land only has value because the cost of defending title is minimal - society as a whole is conditioned to respect it and the state will (or should) enforce exclusive occupation the owner's behalf in case of trespass and burglary etc.
- The rental value of any plot of land is equal and opposite to the total burden placed on others who are excluded. That's extra 'liberty' for the owner but reduces the liberty of 'everybody else'. Unlike income tax, having to pay for the value of land you occupy is a break-even on the liberty front.
- There are currently four classes of citizen.
1. Those at the top are landlords or bankers who are basically extracting ransom from tenants and mortgage payers. The income tax they pay is roughly equal to the cash subsidies they receive. These are akin to slave owners.
2. There are welfare claimants and pensioners, whose income is funded out of the burden placed on the next two classes (income tax, NIC, VAT etc).
3. There are owner-occupiers, most of whom are working. By and large, the income tax they have to pay exceeds the rental value of the land they own/occupy. These are like non-slave owning citizens in a slave owning society.
4. There are working tenant households who suffer two huge impositions - income tax paid for the benefit of the first two classes and land rent paid for the benefit of first.
If extending the vote to women or abolishing slavery increases overall, total freedom or liberty (or indeed wealth), then so does taxing land values instead of earned income. The total tax payable by the last two classes will plummet and the wealth extracted by the first class will plummet by the same amount and the people in the second class would probably more or less break even.
- Two wrongs don't make a right.
1. The slave-owners said they should be compensated for giving up their slaves, but wouldn't slaves be entitled to compensation for having been kept slaves? The same applies with votes for women, men could have said they should be compensated for sharing the right to vote, but women could have counter-sued for all the years that they weren't allowed to. All you can do in these circumstances is call it quits and everybody gets on with their lives.
2. The sob story trotted out is somebody who "paid taxes all his life, bought his house out of taxed income and wants to be left in peace". Well sorry, that's the way the cookie crumbles. It is highly regrettable that people had to pay income tax in the past; that's no excuse for imposing the same injustice on all future generations.
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Being more prosaic about this, I am a working age owner-occupier and if we had full on LVT the selling price of our house might fall by hundreds of thousands of pounds but my wife and I would pay tens of thousands of pounds a year less in tax; after ten or fifteen years or so, our total 'wealth' will be the same, it's just that more of it will be spendable, encashable wealth (unless she spends it all on shoes and handbags) and less will be a paper capital gain.
More importantly, my children would grow up in a society with more and better paid jobs and will have a fighting chance of being able to afford to buy a house within five or ten miles of where they grew up. Increasing my personal subjective 'liberty' to be able to retire a few years earlier is naught compared to all the extra years it will take for my children to pay off their mortgages etc.
And, in a very real sense, if we stick with the current nonsense, it will restrict my personal freedom when my children are in their 20s and 30s and they are constantly tugging our sleeves and trying to persuade the Bank of Mum & Dad to remortgage to provide them with a deposit so that they can "get on the property ladder". Maybe we'll give in and plunge not just them but ourselves into debt fro the rest of our lives; maybe we'll hold firm and have them resent us for ever more/move abroad in protest. I don't really think that either of those options increases our 'freedom' as parents.
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Monday, 5 January 2015
Meskel Square, Addis Ababa
They showed this on Rude(ish) Tube just now.
"Thirty-two lanes of traffic and no traffic lights!" gushed the presenter. As if that were a bad thing.
So... what's the problem? It seems to be working fine.
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Monday, 30 June 2014
Sumoking's Libertarian Corner
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Wednesday, 14 May 2014
Libertarians Should Support a Land Value Tax
Furthermore, exponential increases in land values would attract higher annual levies, helping to restrain soaraway property bubbles in the same way that higher interest rates bear down on inflation; in the case of inflation, the imposition of higher interest rates depends on good central banking practice, whereas an annual land value levy based on a percentage of land values would be a market mechanism to ward off bubbles and speculation.
Attempts by landowners to capture a larger part of their commercial tenants’ revenues by requiring tenants to cover all taxes and charges incurred by the landowner would, over the long run, not push up business costs, but reduce the profitability of using the land, causing tenants to go elsewhere where site valuations were lower.
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Tuesday, 29 April 2014
SumoKing's Libertarian Corner
Friedrich Hayek: Why I Am Not a Conservative
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Tuesday, 22 April 2014
Sumoking's Libertarian Corner - How regulation works
With a little (paraphrased) help from comedian Doug Stanhope, because he is 1. funnier than me, and 2. I am buggered for time to do a proper post (though one is slowly coming together, maybe, by 2018).
"They say if you give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day, but if you teach a man to fish....
- then he's gotta get a fishing license, but he doesn't have any money.
- So he's got to get a job and get into the Social Security system and pay taxes, and now you're gonna audit the poor bugger, 'cause he's not really good with maths.
- So you'll pull the HMRC van up to his house, and you'll take all his stuff. You'll take his black velvet Elvis and his Batman toothbrush, and his penis pump, and that all goes up for auction with the burden of proof on him because he forgot to carry the one,
- 'cause he was just worried about eating a fucking fish, and he couldn't even cook the fish 'cause he needed a permit for an open flame. Then the Department of Rural Affair and the Environment Agency is going to start asking a lot of questions about where are you going to dump the scales and the guts. 'This is not a sanitary environment', and ladies and gentlemen if you get sick of it all at the end of the day...
- not even legal to kill yourself (this is a bit american focused but for Sucicide in the UK, it was decriminalised in England under 1961 Suicide act and not really ever directly a crime in Scots law, but, if you don't keep it private it might be a breach of the peace, consolation for those commuters held up by someone jumping in front of their train).
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Tuesday, 7 January 2014
Sumoking’s Libertarian Corner - The Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill
This gem of an act grants local authorities, police and private security firms (i.e. the people retained by those who now own your parks, town centres, shops etc) draconian powers to bar citizens from hanging around lawfully in public spaces. Those who refuse orders under the new rules will face arrest, fines and even prison time. The wording is vague enough to endanger both rights to free assembly and protest but also to something as small as smoking (which I personally hate but FFS, if it is outside even I’m not that fussed, smoke in my house and TASTE MY PAIN though!). The act merrily rubbishes long held, and hard won civil rights and pushes the UK yet another step closer to being a de facto police state.
As currently drafted the act creates Public Space Protection Orders (PSPOs) which can be used by councils to deal with such life and death.
The bill also permits injunctions against anyone of 10 or older who "has engaged or threatens to engage in conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to any person". A 10 year old who throws a snowball now goes directly to jail. No Bart Simpsons in the UK. The Act will replace ASBOs with Injunctions to Prevent Nuisance and Annoyance (IPNAs), which not only forbid behaviour, but can also force the recipient to discharge positive obligations. In other words, they can impose community service on people who have committed no crime, which could, the law proposes, remain in force for the rest of their lives. Unless the section 5 get out applies. Section 5 of course ensures that any positive obligation should not “conflict with the respondent’s religious beliefs”. So, no to snowballs but crack on for female genital mutilation.
As a result of a dogged legal battle (also, bye to legal aid!), ASBOs can be granted only if a court is satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that antisocial behaviour took place, IPNAs can be granted on the balance of probabilities (51% likely 49% unlikely). Breaching them will not be classed as a criminal offence, but can still carry a custodial sentence: without committing a crime, you can be imprisoned for up to two years. Children, who cannot currently be detained for contempt of court, will be subject to an inspiring new range of punishments for breaking an IPNA, including three months in a young offenders' centre. It really makes you proud that we live in a country so hysterical about crime that a 10 year old child can effectively be tried as an adult.
On top of the new lynch a loiterer provisions, a new clause inserted by backbencher Steve Barclay MP will give police community support officers (PCSOs), the Civil Stasi of Nu Labour, new powers to stop and fine cyclists who do not have lights on their bikes. But not just lights. PCSOs will also be able to stop and fine cyclists if they don't have reflectors on their bicycles, including on the pedals.
And thanks to an even later Government amendment tabled in the Lords, PCSOs will also get much wider powers to enforce things like traffic offences by drivers and cyclists alike. PCSOs will also be able to fine drivers parking in school zones and other motoring offences. One could make a case for saying that this is beginning to change the role of PCSOs.
Home Office minister, Norman Baker, once a defender of civil liberties, now the arch architect of the most oppressive bill pushed through any recent parliament (and that is saying something!), claims that the amendments he offered in December will "reassure people that basic liberties will not be affected". But Liberty describes them as "a little bit of window-dressing: nothing substantial has changed." Given the chilling uses that were found for ASBOs it is difficult to put any faith in Baker’s weasel words.
Combined the new injunctions and orders create vicious weapons which the Authorities (and selected 3rd party heavies including “Housing Providers” who may apply for these under section 4.1) can use to prevent anyone from doing almost anything (unless it is religious, naturally). But they won't be deployed against anyone. Annoyance and nuisance are what young people (so anyone under 40 on current demographics) cause; they are inflicted by oddballs, the underclass, those who dispute the legitimacy of the grasping dead claw of the state. These powers will be deployed to stamp out plurality and difference, to pursue children for the crime of being young and together in a public place, to help turn this nation into a grey subservient monoculture, controlled, homogenised, lifeless, sterile and strifeless. For a government which represents the very old and the very rich, that must be paradise.
The Bill itself
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Monday, 25 November 2013
Sumoking's Libertarian Corner - Camoron's Pornmageddon!
Traces such as this little gem persevered for posterity by the "receive press release, print without anything more than the vaguest whiff of comment" Telegraph.
"Today in Britain - not in some foreign dictatorship, not in a bygone age you can wake up in the morning, in your own bed, in your own home to hear a knock on the door from an official with one of over a thousand powers that now allow the state to enter your home."
"You don't have to be a terrorist or a criminal fugitive. The authorities have the right to come into your home to inspect potted plants for pests or to check the regulation of hedgerows. We are in danger of living in a control state."
Result, thought 2009 Sumoking, no more bullying jobsworths bought by vested interests making people miserable. Oh joy, people will soon be free and happy and act like grown ups and we'll all get on with making the world slightly better. Creativity and commerce shall flourish! Hell, at this rate we'll have landfills on Mars by 2015 and bugger this sorting cartons nonsense!
Alas, and perhaps unsurprisingly, not so much. Fast forward to dour present day Sumoking, skip over some worrying rhetoric, side step the worrying Snowden condemnations and we find, in the very same, receive, print, think not, Telegraph this bansturbation fuckwittery;
[Mr Cameron]said that the Government wanted to give parents an “opportunity to take a more positive role” in controlling what their children can look up online.
A more positive role? Sounds borderline encouraging, granted it sounds a bit "we know best" but almost on the right track. Steve Jobs was 56 when he died. Bill gates is 58. Tim Berners Lee is 58. For a 30-40 year old parent (or Politian) to bleat about being unable to search "Google" for "internetpornfilter solution" and then to search Google for "how to install internetpornfilter solution" is laughable. Okay, maybe our gents above are "early adopters" but the internet has been around for 20 years and I gather computers were being used back before I was even born. This nonsensical "I'm old and don't understand computers and teenagers are all super hackers" is utter bollocks.
Unfortunately, this is complete double speak. "take a more positive role" actually turns out to mean "do absolutely fcuk all".
Embarrassed husbands who want to opt-out of porn controls in their homes will have to “have a discussion” with their wives once tough new filters are applied by internet service providers, David Cameron has saidSetting aside the idea that only husbands watch porn or the idea that wives might not already be fully aware that leaving your hubby alone for 5 whole minutes means that old crusty, the faithful hockey sock of yore, will be dug out from behind the wardrobe, it is difficult to see how forcing ISPs to block things at source enables parents to take any role at all, never mind a positive one in controlling what their children look up online.
But then, okay, I suppose there will be a few Daily Mail reading people who think, 1. what about the poor little breast feeding children! what if they see some breasts! On a screen! and/or 2. yeah but you can always declare you like breasts to the benevolent government and watch what you like, at least they are being up front about it! at least they gave you a choice this time!
In that case, you may wish to consider what big smiley Dave hasn't been saying about his benevolent kiddy saving web filter. Fortunately Wired is not the Telegraph, they don't just print a press release after a quick rehash. Wired actually spoke to the ISPs to see what was being demanded and they found this;
As well as pornography, users may automatically be opted in to blocks on "violent material", "extremist related content", "anorexia and eating disorder websites" and "suicide related websites", "alcohol" and "smoking". But the list doesn't stop there. It even extends to blocking "web forums" and "esoteric material", whatever that is. "Web blocking circumvention tools" is also included, of course.
Esoteric Material? You are going to have to put your name on a government list in order to access what some unknown, unscrutinised body designates as "esoteric material"? Frankly I'm surprised the term "seditious" doesn't make an appearance.
As if this wasn't good enough it looks like it'll be Huawei, basically an arm of the Chinese government, that'll be operating the filter. if this sort of nonsense was going on in China or North Korea we would be pitying the poor buggers.
In closing and before the Jackboot Jackie and Haridan Harman brigade comes stampeding towards me, intent on vengeance for my seeking to selfishly feed my hardcore furry pornography habit, at the expense of others, a word on rape.
What happens when more people view more pornography? Does the incidence of rape hoot up? Well the rise of the Internet offered a gigantic natural experiment. Because Internet usage caught on at different times in different states in the US, it offered 50 natural experiments.
The bottom line on these experiments is, "More Net access, less rape." A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. States that adopted the Internet quickly saw the biggest declines. And, according to Clemson professor Todd Kendall, the effects remain even after you control for all of the obvious confounding variables, such as alcohol consumption, police presence, poverty and unemployment rates, population density, and so forth.
(A full analysis of this research is here, at Slate.)
So, the bludgeon of government will;
- Annoy people (well me certainly)
- Reduce the responsibilities of parents further
- Not reduce any serious crime
- Censor huge tracks of the internet
- According to the logic of bringing in the filter, not stop teenage super hackers from seeing naked breasts anyway.
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Tuesday, 19 November 2013
Sumoking's Libertarian Corner (It's totally gonna be a thing)
From the beautiful game Bioshock
Andrew Ryan: I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.'
'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.'
'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.'
I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well.
'No!' says the man in London 'It belongs to the Landowner (Banks)" ?
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Tuesday, 13 August 2013
"Teenagers who drink heavily and take drugs are 'more likely to have fun' in life"
From The Daily Mail:
Teenagers who drink excessively and take drugs can increase their chances of having a good time before the age of 65.
Researchers, who examined data from more than 488,000 young conscripts from 1969 to 1979, have identified nine factors which increase the chances of enjoying yourself.
These also include taking anti-psychotic drugs, having parents who turn a blind eye, going to clubs and concerts, being tall and/or good looking, being showered with affection while young and not worrying too much about tomorrow.
The study found absence of these factors accounted for most cases of young-onset depression (YOD) diagnosed before the age of 65.
Dr Peter Nordstrom of Umea University, in Sweden, said: '
"Young-onset depression that is, depression diagnosed before 65 years of age, has been related to genetic mutations in affected families. The identification of other risk factors could improve the understanding of this heterogeneous group of syndromes.
"Collectively, failure to indulge in any such hedonistic activities accounted for 68 per cent of the YOD cases identified."
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Wednesday, 16 May 2012
"Viewpoint: Is it time to get rid of traffic lights?"
Martin Cassini was on Radio 4's Four Thoughts just now, explaining how damaging traffic lights are, due to be repeated this Saturday at 10.15 pm.
The BBC's normal website provide a full summary here, it's all good stuff. He's got nearly a thousand comments so far, seems like a fair mixture of pro- and anti-.
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Saturday, 4 February 2012
On Faux Libertarians
Dan Sullivan has written an excellent summary of how the Royal Libertarians (which is his term for 'Faux Libertarians', it's the same thing) have twisted the arguments and misquoted the statements of the earlier real Libertarians beyond recognition; arguments which actually supported land value tax are used as arguments against it.
It turns out, for example, that Thomas Jefferson had already come to this blinding insight:
A right of property in movable things is admitted before the establishment of government. A separate property in lands not till after that establishment.... He who plants a field keeps possession of it till he has gathered the produce, after which one has as good a right as another to occupy it. Government must be established and laws provided, before lands can be separately appropriated and their owner protected in his possession. Till then the property is in the body of the nation.
Which is another way of saying what I have been saying for ages: land 'ownership' and 'the state' are synonymous, you cannot have one without the other. For land owners to pretend that they can own land entirely independently of the existence of 'the state' is arrant nonsense, at which stage I refer you to the lengthier quote from Albert J Nock in the linked article.
Dan also rebuts a particularly stupid argument against Land Value Tax, which is that it would lead to all land being nationalised and that 'the state' would own it all, and therefore 'the state' would also own everything which stands on it*. It is of course not the physical land which is important, it is the rental value of land which is something quite different (the things standing on land are different yet again).** He points out that land rents are neither private property nor state property, they are common property.
The difference is quite simple, if you write a tune, then you have a (state-protected) copyright on it for a number of decades and for the duration, it is private property. Once your copyright has lapsed, that tune becomes common property and anybody can sing it, record it, play it, sell it without paying you a penny. That does not mean that the tune belongs to the government or the state.
It just so happens that it would be an administrative nightmare for every landowner to pay a few pence rent to everybody else in the country and collect a few pence rent from every other landowner, it is far easier for one central body (call it Crown Estates, call it HM Land Registry, call it 'the government') to collect it centrally, spend a bit on core functions of the state and then dish out the rest again as a Citizen's Dividend.
By crude analogy, your labour belongs to you and you work five days a week for a private employer. There is a big difference between the government levying a forty per cent income tax (the equivalent of two days' wages or two-days' worth of your labour) and the government making you do two days' unpaid work for the government every week. I don't really approve of the former, but it's certainly nowhere near as bad as the latter.
And I, for one, don't really believe that the government owns anything at all, at best, it holds it on trust for the electorate or for taxpayers generally, and neither do I believe that the government should be doing much more than the core functions and said collecting and dishing out. To accuse me of wanting everything to belong to the state is more or less the opposite of what I actually want.
* A tenant pays rent for his home or business premises, but he still owns all the physical objects he brings with him, and he still owns all the value of his own labour or income (ignoring taxes), some of which he happens to spend on occupying that favourable site. The position is little different for somebody who owns land/buildings with a big mortgage, and would be no different for an outright owner if the land is subject to an annual tax charge (except he would own the fabric of the buildings as well as the stuff in it).
** Imagine that all your neighbours and the local council decide to build a very high and impenetrable wall on their side of the boundary to your land so that your plot is completely inaccessible. Your physical land is exactly the same and it still belongs to you, but its rental value is now practically zero.
Or on a more day-to-day level, imagine you have acquired one of a limited number of taxi-driver permits, so you have a car, a piece of paper and a source of income. But because competition is restricted, your earnings are a couple of thousand pounds a year more than they otherwise would be (which is 'economic rent') and that permit is worth maybe £10,000. If the local council decides to abolish the permit system and allow competition, then while you still own the same real capital (the car), your income falls (or you have to work longer hours) and that piece piece of paper (the entitlement to 'economic rent') is now worthless. That income which you can no longer earn is now being earned by a competing taxi driver or maybe it ends up with lower prices; so that 'economic rent' has now become 'common property' again.
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Saturday, 31 December 2011
Killer Arguments Against LVT, Not (188)
For my penultimate post of 2011, I will hand over to Fraggle, who spent a lot of time and effort earlier this year dismantling all the arguments which Murray Rothbard advanced against LVT and/or Georgism decades ago.
Rothbard's counter-arguments are themselves completely irrelevant to anything, but for some unknown reason, The Faux Libertarians take Murray's Word As Gospel and recite it to this day (clearly without having ever given any of it a further moment's critical thought). So next time a Faux Lib's tries to throw it in your face, you might be able to save yourself a bit of thinking time by using Fraggle's counter-counter-arguments.
Some of Fraggle's posts are still work under construction, hopefully he'll get round to polishing them off, but here are the links anyway:
Overview
Land - Abundance and the landlord's function
Rent and the effect of LVT
Who benefits from economic progress?
The Morality of LVT
Loose ends
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Tuesday, 13 December 2011
Killer Arguments Against LVT, Not (184)
Regular commenter Kj posted a link to Justin Keith's Twenty FAQs about Geo-Libertarianism, in which he refutes twenty Frequently Raised Objections. He covers some of the same ground as I have done but from a philosophical/moral standpoint rather than just cold facts, logic, maths and economics, presumably because he is addressing Faux Libertarians rather than Home-Owner-Ists
It really is pathetic that the Faux Lib's come up with entirely contradictory arguments, so our hero has to deal with the KLN2. Wouldn't LVT increase the price of land? (nope) as well as batting away Faux Lib fave Murray Rothbard's objection in KLN 6. A 100% tax on rent would cause the capital value of all land to fall promptly to zero (correct) Since owners could not obtain any net rent, the sites would become valueless on the market (bollocks)".
The first statement is incorrect, the second statement is correct. But the assumption that land would become valueless is idiocy, how can this man be considered an economist?
i. Imagine, if you will, a fairly real life example: the council or some other government body decides to sell off an average semi-detached house which is superfluous to their requirements for its market value of £180,000. We know that the rebuild cost/value of the building is about £80,000, so the land is worth £100,000 (by subtraction).
ii. In this example, a bank is offering a twenty-five years interest-only mortgages, fixed at 6% for (say) ten years on a non-recourse basis and it so happens that the purchaser has £80,000 in cash to pay as a deposit. The purchaser pays his cash and takes out the mortgage. The purchaser is now clearly the legal owner of the house, and will benefit if he keeps it in good repair, or decorates it to his personal liking (or to the liking of his tenants), keeps the garden looking nice etc.
iii. And for the next ten years, he is paying over £500 cash every month which is +/- the same as the rental value of the site. Although he is the legal owner of the house burdened with a mortgage (the land and buildings are part-owned by the bank in economic terms), you might as well say that he is the 100% owner of the building itself but the bank owns the land, or at least collects rent on the land.
iv. So our hero is perfectly happy with this arrangement. It is a perfectly normal, every day arrangement, he is confident that he can meet the interest every month and being a cautious cove, he builds up a sinking fund of other investments so that he can one day pay off the mortgage in full, or to cover him for a few months if he loses his job, or to buy a pension annuity when he is too old to work etc (OK, in this day and age, this part of the example is rather fanciful, but I'm sure there are a few sensible people left in the UK).
v. A few years later, he is going through the small print and it turns out that the bank is in fact owned by HM Treasury, and every penny of the interest/rent he pays is going straight into government coffers. Does this make the slightest bit of difference to anything? Surely not.
vi. So why would it make the slightest bit of difference to the substance or the reality if, in fact, on Day One he hadn't taken out an interest-only non-recourse mortgage to buy the house, but had in fact paid £80,000 cash for the bricks and mortar and bought the site for a zero premium, subject to an monthly ground rent/LVT payment of £500 fixed for ten years and then subject to review?
vii. As long as the mechanism for the ten-yearly review is agreed at the onset, i.e. it will be based on rental values and selling prices of other similar houses in the area, he will be able to budget for any changes as he goes along. This is no riskier than having a variable rate mortgage, is it?
viii. And he can still build up a sinking fund using the money that he would otherwise have to hand over if it were a repayment and not an interest-only mortgage, and with a bit of luck, after twenty-five years he has built up a fund which will generate enough interest/dividends to pay the LVT/ground rent for the rest of his life. You can't take it with you, you know.
ix. To round off the picture, we can throw the Citizen's Income into the mix as well, he knows from the onset that he and others he shares the house with from time to time (family, friends, lodgers) will be receiving rather more than £6,000 in Citizen's Income or Citizen's Pension payments each year (unless he wants to live there on his own). As the CI payments will be funded out of the LVT which people are paying, he can just ignore both sides of the equation and work on the basis that he received the site for free, pays no ground rent and receives no CI. But the benefit that he gets from owning his own house, or the rent he can collect from tenants is exactly the same as in the example above.
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Thursday, 15 September 2011
That's nice!
Pavlov's Cat reminds us that the list of the Top Forty Librarian Blogs has been published, yours truly scraped in at 36. I duly downloaded the badge...
Obviously, under the Dewey Decimal System, 'forty' and 'fifty' are interchangeable, but I'm sure you knew that.
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Wednesday, 31 August 2011
The Wisdom Of Clouds
There's a mildly interesting article on the BBC about speeding up this whole getting on the aeroplane rigmarole:
The most common way of boarding passenger planes is among the least efficient, tests have shown. The best method has been the subject of study for years but now various approaches have been put to the test. Boarding those in window seats first followed by middle and aisle seats results in a 40% gain in efficiency.
However, an approach called the Steffen method, alternating rows in the window-middle-aisle strategy, nearly doubles boarding speed... He suggested boarding in alternate rows, window seats first, progressing from the rear forward: seats 12A, for example, followed by 10A, 8A and so on, then returning for 9A, 7A, 5A and so on, and then filling the middle and aisle seats in the same way...
The pair tested five different scenarios: "block" boarding in groups of rows from back to front, one by one from back to front, the "Wilma method", the Steffen method, and completely random boarding... The block approach fared worst, with the strict back-to-front approach not much better.
Interestingly, a completely random boarding - as practised by several low-cost airlines that have unallocated seating - fared much better, presumably because it randomly avoids space conflicts. But the Wilma method and the Steffen method were clear winners; while the block approach required nearly seven minutes to seat the passengers, the Steffen method took just over half that time.
According to the BBC the time (minutes:seconds) taken to fill the aircraft using the different methods were as follows:
"Block" boarding - 6:54
Back-to-front - 6:11
Random - 4:44
Wilma method - 4:13
Steffen method - 3:36
To cut a long story, they might as well not bother with these fancy methods and just let people get on at random. Even with the Steffen method, I'm sure it only takes one dickhead to sneak in ahead of his turn or for a couple of idiots to waste the stewardesses' time by asking whether it's their turn yet to completely negate the potential time saving.
Also, the article doesn't say whether they've worked out a way of getting people off the aeroplane and more quickly, which seems to take as long again.
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Thursday, 11 August 2011
You can take a Faux Libertarian to water but you can't make him drink
I stumbled across this exchange on Ron Paul's 'blog from three years ago, the typically mild-mannered proper libertarian, the unfortunately named Martfuncher explains as follows:
The Founding Fathers believed that property ownership was THE basis for freedom. They viewed property as the means of production. If a person can produce and keep the fruits of their labor they can control their own destiny and pursuit of happiness.
The Founding Fathers wanted as many people as possible to own land (the means of the production). They did not want people to amass large holdings of unproductive land thereby depriving others who might make that land useful and productive empowering their own freedom.
A small land tax was a way to penalize and discourage hoarding of land and the keeping of it in an unproductive state and at the same time out-of-the-reach of those who WOULD make it productive. Notice that the first and preeminent principle of socialism/communism is to deprive persons of the ownership of property and the means of production and to confiscate the fruits of labor.
Of all the taxes I believe land tax is one of the "good ones". It is not responsible to hoard land in such an unproductive state that the owner is unable to even pay a small tax when there are many others who would gladly put the land to productive use....
And then the inevitable FL shit storm breaks loose:
If "access to and ownership of land is THE basis for freedom" how can we be free if land we own can be taken from us for inability to pay taxes on it?
Er... if you can't afford to pay the tax, then you are over-occupying and hence, in economic terms, a land hoarder, a privatised tax collector, a rent-seeker, a feudal oppressor or whatever you want to call it. You may pretend that this makes you A Free Man, but that's not much of A Freedom if you have to rely on the force of the state to make others Unfree by enforcing and protect your interests against others - without you even being prepared to pay for it, even though others would - overall there is a net loss of Freedom.
In practical terms, it's quite obvious that everybody will be able to find something to suit their budget. Those willing to work the hardest and pay the most will get the nicest bits of land but end up paying the most; and those who can't or don't want to pay have to make do with what they can afford from their wages (plus Citizen's Income if you raise LVT above and beyond what is necessary to pay for core functions of the state).
It's the closest you'll get to a free market in shares in what "society" or "the community" has to offer - nobody will have to pay another private individual for something which that individual hasn't created - which of necessity contains a small core of things provided by "the government". If you want more of it (lots of other people, streets, utility and broadband connections, hospitals, shops, job opportunities) you pay more per square yard than if you want less state (open countryside, poor roads, no mains utility connections, no broadband, no shops or hospitals, limited job opportunities etc).
The choice is yours.
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Tuesday, 15 March 2011
Killer Arguments Against LVT, Not (100)
The Faux Libertarians and Home-Owner-Ists appear to have stopped providing me with raw material for this series, so I Googled around a bit and stumbled across an exchange over at The UK Libertarian.
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Let's quickly remind ourselves of the position in which the productive UK economy currently finds itself, skip to to the second half of the post (after the dotted line) if you know all this stuff:
* For every £100 gross income, it hands over about £20 rent to landlords (most businesses are tenants, the minority that are owner-occupiers tend to be the least efficient, as they cross-subsidise their notional trading losses with their notional rental income); £40 in taxes (ninety per cent of tax revenues are borne by the productive economy) and £40 in net wages or dividends/profits.
* The most valuable asset of businesses are of course the employees, who have to be paid each month, if they weren't paid they'd go elsewhere, whether you call this a 'cost' or a 'profit share' is a separate issue. Similarly, the taxes and rent that businesses pay are monthly, recurring costs. They can only survive by generating more profits per £1 cost than other competing businesses (who would otherwise pinch the employees and outbid them on the rent).
* Most 'capital assets' (machinery, software, know how, good will, brand names, patents etc) are relatively short lived and have to be constantly replenished, maintained, improved etc. A patent for example lasts for twenty years, but even if indefinite, would lose its value over time (how much would the exclusive right to manufacture Bakelite telephones or 78 rpm record players be worth nowadays?), goodwill can expire like a puff of smoke (Nissan, Arthur Andersen).
* For sure, buildings are capital assets as well, but office buildings and retail premises are a commodity, it doesn't matter who occupies them (they require little in the way of novel or specific expenditure) and industrial units are laughably cheap.
* Land use is entirely dictated by planning rules, you can't just change the use of a building from offices to a pub; or from a hairdressers to a betting shop; or build new industrial units where needed, because the local council know there are a lot of votes to be won from those existing businesses or NIMBY residents who prefer the status quo.
* Local councils have no financial incentive to allow more efficient use of land because all taxes on business (including Business Rates) go to central government.
* On top of that, economic activity is regulated to within an inch of its life by a myriad of overlapping and contradictory rules and regulations.
* Under a full-on Georgist system, where all existing taxes on income, output or profits are replaced with Land Value Tax, the total tax paid by businesses would fall dramatically (from 90% to 20% of all taxes) and the taxes on residential land and buildings would go up accordingly, so for £100 income, they'd pay out £20 in Land Value Tax, maybe £10 in buildings rent and the wages/dividends share would go up from £40 to £70.
* There'd be no pressing need to tax farm land as it is relatively low value; farm land's value has more to do with fertility than location; farmers would still pay LVT on their farmhouses; and it would take a few years for farmers to adjust to losing their lovely CAP subsidies anyway.
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Bearing all this in mind, following an eminently suggestion by LVT-supporter Richard Allan, Faux Libertarian Rob wades in as follows:
Richard Allen, land is effectively socialised now anyway... If it was expressly socialised then just imagine the restrictions on use that would occur. Rather than investment decisions being taken on the basis of market reality they would be at the whim of a few planner who would no doubt reward those farmers/landowners who flattered their prejudices instead of the farmers that turned the biggest profits.
Owning capital on which one can base production is rather important when talking about making long term investment decisions (which we are here). Even if you give me a 50 yr lease at 25 years old I won't see the benefit of the long term investment I make, so in short I won't make that investment.
You say “it’s possible for land (i.e. the stuff that’s not a product of anyone’s labour) to be owned separately from the stuff that IS a product of labour, even when the latter is standing on the former and an integral part of it”. Aye it would be “possible” but certainly not desirable.
Does anybody have a clue what he's talking about?
The idea that Land Value Tax is 'socialising' land and would lead to even more restrictive planning restrictions is a nonsense. If truth be told, income tax, VAT etc is 'socialising' people's labour, and on top of that come all the regulations, punitive tax on unfavoured industries and subsidies to favoured ones.
And it's the NIMBYs who want land use to be strictly controlled (or 'socialised', to use the Faux Libertarian's expression) - if a local council were entitled to a share of the LVT collected from commercially used land (or indeed Business Rates), then, even if it were to spend that tax on White Elephants, at least it would be more likely to allow more industrial units to be built, shops to be put to their most profitable use etc.
Under LVT, all the other true 'capital assets' - machinery; software; good will; a well trained and motivated workforce; or the buildings in which they carry on their business - would be entirely untaxed, so there would be a lot more investment in all these things.
As to "possible" in his final paragraph, most sensibly run businesses are perfectly aware that of £100 takings, not all of it is profits - £20 goes to the landlord or the bank; £40 goes in taxes; nearly £40 goes in net wages or to suppliers (who in turn pay wages) and a small bit is profits belonging to the owner of the business.
Working out quite how much has to go in tax is very tricky of course, and if you get it wrong HMRC will bankrupt you; under LVT, the total rent/tax burden would fall from £60 to £30 (including buildings rent); it would be a monthly, predictable, recurring expense, and they'd have much more left over to play with, expand the business, re-invest etc.
For sure, there are some owner-occupier businesses who fail to account for notional rents which actually make losses year in, year out. Most of these would quickly realise that they'd be better off renting out their premises to a more dynamic, profitable business, this is called 'creative destruction'. I may be right wing and heartless, but if we are prepared to accept unemployment as a cost of 'creative destruction' is it so terrible that unprofitable hobby-businesses run by land owners are similarly destroyed?
What's not to like?
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