Weird. The BBC London News ran a piece this evening, article and video here, in which they interview lots of Labour & Lib Dem people as well as members of 'the local community' saying how awful Paul Wiffen is, and by extension UKIP.
Paul left the offending comment on a website called Community Care (i.e. the people who make a living by 'helping asylum seekers integrate' or something) and it ran as follows:
Britain is full, you prat! Even your scummy, illiterate Grauniad* admits it! In the circumstances, I think "get lost" is positively polite. "Go forth and multiply" elsewhere would be my wording.
You left-wing scum are all the same, wanting to hand our birthright to Romanian gypsies who beat their wives and children into begging and stealing money they can gamble with, Muslim nutters who want to kill us and put us all under mediaeval Sharia law, the same Africans who sold their Afro-Caribbean brothers into a slavery that Britain was the first to abolish (but you still want to apologize for!).
Worry about where we are going to live and grow food, you wanker, not the UKIP policy that might just save your worthless skin!
Unlike Paul, one thing I do not worry about is the island of Great Britain being physically 'full' or us having to worry about where we are going to live or grow food. Somehow, miraculously, the non-agricultural part of our population and economy (about 99%) manages on ten per cent of the surface area, while the agricultural sector (the remaining 1%) takes up most of the other ninety per cent. Weather permitting, we could easily be self-sufficient in food, and if there is a global famine because of volcanic eruption or global cooling or something, then we are all screwed anyway, you can't plan for that sort of thing.
But apart from that and the swear-words, you can't fault him on actual facts.
* The Grauniad article is well worth a read, it is terrifying authoritarian crap that could only come from the BNP or the Greenies.
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"we could easily become self sufficient in food".
So why the fierce rationing in WW2.
And why did Britain buy so much from Australia back then?
Having land is not the same as having food.
From 1940-80, the UK went from 30% to 80% self-sufficient in crops
Wheat production in the UK today is some 15 million tonnes.
In the 1930's grain prices were very low so the demand for land to grow crops in the UK was low too. 60% of grain had to be imported in 1940 but about 45% by 1945. One reason for the inability to produce more was manpower. Even with 1 million Italian POW's working the fields that was an additional 1 million mouths to feed. In Nazi Germany, even when they just didn't feed some 10 million Labourers in the Ukraine and Poland they had rationing lower than the UK.
Pesticides, mechanisation, new farming methods and new strains
of crops have allowed the remarkable improvements in food production. MW is probably right. UK could be self sufficient.
BQ, thanks for back up.
More fundamentally, the best way of feeding yourself is to make profits doing something other than agriculture and then to buy the food. That applies to a whole country as much as it does to an individual.
My solution to asylum seekers is simple: outsourcing.
Set up camps in two third world countries that are politically stable, where the asylum seekers can be housed and clothed in perfect safety at a fraction of the cost of keeping them here, until political conditions improve in their own countries and they can go home.
When people say britain is full, i wouldnt say they are completely wrong.
If you take our current planning bodies into account (heavy restrictions on new builds), then where we can live is indeed full.
B, yup. You could go one better, and set up these camps in the country of the applicant's origin, subject to UN supervision.
Anon, also true. Had he said "the UK has insanely strict planning laws that make buying a house nigh unaffordable for young couples" or that "recent immigrants are given priority in the allocation of social housing" then I would have been with him all the way. Apart from the swearing bit.
B, or we could do a joint-venture with Australia and rent some space on Christmas Island
Like you I am not worried about the country being "full" but I am worried about the nature of the country. It seems to me that a country, most of whose inhabitants are Moslems speaking foreign languages is no Britain even if it occupies the same geogtaphical space.
Kosovo is a different place when its original inhabitants have been expelled (or cut up & sold as body parts to our hospitals) from whaty it used to be & unless one considers human beings to be indistinguishable cogs in the machine it seems impossible to deny that.
It is good to see that the BBC's decision to censor any mention of anybody outside the 3 semi-official party does not apply to attacking them.
NC, yes, we have the luxury of being able to decide who comes in, so why not exercise that power?
Back to the original point, Paul Wiffen's comments were a little coarse, maybe vulgar. Nothing worse than that.
The reaction has been incredibly vile. One website, I can't remember which, even referred to him as 'Nazi scum'. That worries me more than Wiffen's comments.
Mark, Nah, those Aussies will charge too much (and I not sure Christmas Island is big enough). I was thinking of somewhere like Botswana. Plenty of space there.
Community Care is the blog linked to the recruitment sheet and house-mag of social workers, a Reed Business publishing venture.
http://www.communitycare.co.uk/Home/
In 2007 one of their writers working under the name Janet Snell wrote a classic rant which had the adsales men shaking her warmly by the throat
"Janet Snell
The Daily Mail is vile. Everybody, apart from its readers, must know that. But the problem is the sheer number of people who do read it..."
Just sayin'.
As the piece amounted to calling all Daily Mail readers vile and/or idiots, anything she might have said about the paper's coverage of social issues thereafter was lost (but I've kept a copy).
The piece was pulled from the blog.
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