Something in an article that was in City AM a year ago has been bugging me ever since.
Most of it is good stuff...
When a politician blithely commits to “making childcare higher quality”, you wonder how much any new regulation of the sector will push up prices, and hence make formal care less affordable...
When Jeremy Corbyn states that the existence of profits in certain industries means lower prices could be delivered under nationalisation, you consider whether public ownership is more likely to become captured by producer interests or suffer from worse profitability.
When governments continually tell us that HS2 will be “good for the economy” because the economic benefits exceed the costs, you consider whether other investments, such as road schemes in areas with bottlenecks, would generate even higher returns.
When someone calls for banning plastic bags for environmental reasons, you think about what the effects of paper bags are for the scale of landfill sites, or the health impact of repeat use of linen bags given hygiene risks.
Agreed to all that. But his first real life example is a very bad one:
Remember when the coalition government’s policy of “free” school meals for five to seven year-olds was announced in 2013?
Campaign groups rallied to praise the £600m commitment, claiming it would enhance educational attainment, based upon results from narrow pilot schemes. It was only economists who seemed to question whether this spending really obtained the best bang for the buck to increase attainment, or whether the money could be better used in other departments — or even, heaven forfend, be left with taxpayers.
Of course those lunches aren't "free", that's a nonsense. But the alternative is not 'leaving the money with taxpayers', it's making the self-same taxpayers make their kids a packed lunch or give them some lunch money for the school canteen.
In the grander scheme of things, funding basic* school lunches for all kids out of progressive taxes (income tax or LVT) ticks all my boxes:
1. It's like a Citizen's Income, non-means tested and mildly redistributive downwards. Vastly better than means-tested "free school meals" for a minority with all the stigma, cheating and administrative hassle.
2. Saves parents the hassle of sorting out a packed lunch or remembering to give their kids some lunch money, which they might or might not spend as intended (or have taken off them by school bullies).
3. It must work out much cheaper per meal if the school bulk-buys and everybody gets the same.
4. ... so it's not necessarily worse value for a better-off parent. They pay £5 extra tax and their kid gets a school dinner costing £2.50., but in the absence of school-lunches-for-all, they might end up paying £5 anyway (or spending a bit less than that but wasting ten or twenty minutes a day sorting it out). They've lost nothing and low-income parent is up £2.50.
5. It is good for solidarity between pupils, they all get the same. School lunches a bit crap? Every kid can moan about it equally, same as moaning about having to wear a school uniform. Best kind of quality control is, teachers sit in the same canteen and eat the same meals as the kids (they did that at my school).
6. It protects kids with low-income or lazy/forgetful parents from being humiliated by the lucky kids with posh lunch boxes/lots of lunch money.
7. At the margin, it helps educational attainment of kids with low-income or lazy/forgetful parents. It's difficult to concentrate when you are hungry, as the advert says. And has similar health benefits.
* The word "basic" is important here. Funding fancy school trips abroad for all would clearly be a total waste of money.
Tuesday, 29 January 2019
"How to View the World like an Economist"
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I disagree.
The quality and amounts of hospital food shows that when the State gets involved in food prep and provision, it manages the exact same quality it does with everything else it touches - its sh*t. I had school dinners when I was a kid at state primary school, and it turned me off certain foods for life, they were so awful. Plus you've then got the whole compulsion element - if everyone gets the same, and some kids don't like it, what do you do force them to eat it (which is what happened to me as a kid and I could happily slaughter the people responsible for that, even now, I hated it so much, it made my life at school a misery), or do you let some not get fed at all?
Plus of course the State option will have to be compliant with all the usual PC bollocks, vegan, halal, fair trade etc etc. The best people to feed children are their parents.
S, I wouldn't have thought you were such a great big wuss and fussy eater. You wouldn't last five minutes in the army.
@Sobers, 'The best people to feed children are their parents'. This is bollocks, considering the increasing incidence of malnutrition during school holidays. Child poverty is a political choice and it will come back to bite us so badly. Eating the seed corn!
M, the malnutrition thing is my point 7b, it's welcome but not the main benefit IMHO.
Plus of course the State option will have to be compliant with all the usual PC bollocks, vegan, halal, fair trade etc etc.
Yep, and that's why the State option - like nationalised activities everywhere - would end up more expensive than any alternative and yet please almost no-one. It only works if you have a single offering that everybody gets. And eats. Oooh! Sounds like socialism!
I used to go to a school with cheap school meals and no pack lunches were provided. They were really really awful. So awful that when years later someone gave me mashed potato I didn't know what it was, it was so different from what I had had at school.
I was so happy when I went to secondary school and could have sandwiches.
I can imagine in a few years time school lunches will be like this again - unless school teachers or someone with power are forced to eat what the kids eat.
S, LF, I had the misfortune to be privately educated from age eight. The food at my private boarding school was far, far worse than the school meals I had eaten at my primary school. The food was so bad that the teachers, who ate with us, got different food. Luckily my mother was a good cook, so I could just about survive from one end of the term to the other.
Corbyn has no clue. It's not profits that drives business, it's fear of the consequences of losses.
School and hospital food.
I live in Suffolk. A good friend of mine's mum was a headteacher at a school in rural Suffolk up until about 1980 ish. They had a kitchen garden which they used as part of the curricula. The parents generally worked in agriculture and related trades including professional advisers - land agents say - children and these parents also provided food to the school. At lunch time all the local HMI's used to turn up to take part in the dish of the day....
My own experience? My private preparatory school dinners were dire. My grammar school dinners were worse.
I was hospitalised in 2009 for six weeks. the food was the biggest threat to recovery. And you are all aware of the bowel fixation of nurses? I learned that it was all made in Wales. trucked over to Suffolk and then nuked up.
What I cannot understand is how catering for such an often modest number of pupils fails to deliver something nourishing and edible. An exception that proves it can be done is our local junior school, pupil count about 60 /80. They get very well made food - I know the cook.
What's interesting about free school meals is that the means testing on it is absolutely insane. There's a cliff edge at £7200 for universal credit claimants, leading to a situation where you daren't accept a pay rise of less than several thousand pounds as you'll suddenly have to find hundreds of pounds of after tax money for school lunches. With rents so high and wages so low, an extraordinary proportion of low to upper-middle earners are on UC now. When do we get to a point where published marginal tax rates are meaningless for most people?
M "When do we get to a point where published marginal tax rates are meaningless for most people?"
We passed that point decades ago. Stealth taxes, that's the name of the game, not like an "in your face" LVT where everyone know what they are paying.
The 'free' school meals thing. There's plenty of money in the system for every school to deliver good nourishing well made food for every student. Trouble is lots and lots of that money is consumed [sic] by educational bureaucrats further up the food chain (sorry). Cut out that lot. Give the money to parents to spend on education and you're done.
"You wouldn't last five minutes in the army."
On the basis the army are unlikely to be feeding the troops salads and lots of veg and fruit, I should be fine. Meat and carbs do me fine.
Hmmm. There's no easy answer. MW, if it's right for 7 year olds, is it right for 8-16 year olds as well?
I went to public (government state) school when I was 10 in the USA. We could either bring in a packed lunch, or buy hot or cold from their canteen for a low price. I suppose this sort of arrangement needs scale, and perhaps in the US the schools are more uniform in their size and space.
Back in the UK as a parent it has been a lot of hassle to make packed lunches for my children, and I wondered if all the parental hours were added up for each to buy, prepare, and then clean the lunch boxes, whether there is economy of scale in providing it at the school?
The problem for the school and the child is that the reliability of parents is variable. If the kind of parent(s) that forget to make packed lunch are often the kind who also show no interest in homework or reading etc., then the child is doubly handicapped. But then again, I remember a 6 year old boy at school that smelled of pee which made his socialisation difficult. We guessed that he probably wet his bed and his parents didn't wash him properly. Should the school step in and wash the child and his clothes? Where do we want the State to stop and leave the children to parental responsibility?
OTOH, economies of scale are main advantage. Welfare and social cohesion are welcome bonuses.
As to pissy kid, that's separate topic.
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