Sunday 6 November 2011

Paper currencies, plastic tokens.

I pointed out in an earlier post (section 5 of this) that, provided that a government has a balanced budget, it does not need to make salary and welfare payments in any particular currency, it can issue green plastic tokens if it likes, provided it then collects tax in the same tokens.

James Higham said: "The moment we go down the token road, we get into SDRs and thence to oligarchical control. At this time, that's the thing to be avoided at all costs. National currencies need to make a comeback."

To which I asked: "What's the difference between issuing plastic tokens or metal tokens with £1 stamped on them?"

He replied: "It's all in who's backing the tokens and whether you trust them."

Exactly.

So let's take a slightly more practical example to illustrate how government-created currencies work and who or what is backing them. At the moment, the UK uses (say) fifty billion litres of petrol (or diesel) a year, on which it collects about £30 billion in fuel duty. There are (say) fifty million people aged 17 or over (old enough to drive a car and hence 'adult' for the purposes of this example), who receive a lot more than £30 billion a year in various benefits, pensions, tax breaks etc.

The government could scrap fuel duty (currently being collected in £-s-d) and reduce the benefits paid out (currently paid in £-s-d) by £30 billion, and achieve much the same effect by issuing each adult with 1,000 tokens a year (or 20 a week), and levying a tax of one token for each litre of fuel purchased.

The 'average' adult (if there is such a thing) will be indifferent, because the weekly cost of his petrol has gone down by £12 and his other benefits have gone down by £12.

There will of course be some people with surplus tokens (because they don't own a car, or if they do, they don't drive it much) and some people with a deficit of tokens (lorry drivers and other people who have to travel as part of their job), so it's just a question of how these two are matched up, for example:

* Petrol stations could buy the surplus ones and then sell them to people who want to fill up.
* Supermarkets have most of their goods delivered by lorry, so supermarkets will need to buy them as well, so it will set a price per token and will allow customers to pay part of their bills with tokens.
* The bus companies will also allow people to pay in tokens, and will set the price so that they get the right number of tokens to be able to buy the diesel they need etc.

So, these tokens have a value, not because of any intrinsic value, and not even because the issuer is doing anything apart from issue them, but because of the way that they are collected again. People need petrol and are prepared to pay far more for it than it costs to extract and refine, so they will be willing to pay for tokens - that's what gives them their value.

For sure, we do not know what their value will be, I expect that they would start off being traded at around 60p each (which is the currently duty on a litre of petrol), if the price of oil goes up, then the value of the tokens will fall etc.

But we do know that the tokens will have value, and will be a perfectly satisfactory way of making welfare payments and raising the tax to pay them. The fact that the government could completely ignore them in its bookkeeping is a separate matter, the fact that the tax is privately collected (by people with a surplus of tokens) does not stop it being tax.

Of course, there'd be little point in building up a lifetime of savings in these tokens, because the government might announce that the scheme is going to end, in which case the tokens become worthless, but on a week-by-week basis, they would do the job just fine.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Mark,

And then you have the issue of the poor widow being cheated out of her tokens by unscrupulous door to door sales man who told her that she is getting a good deal to be parted with her token for 10p each...

and then
[1] you have got counterfeit tokens
[2] replacing damaged tokens
etc..
[3] More jobs for token factories, logistic companies etc. Then we will have a Comptroller for the HM tokens , expert witness for the authenticity of tokens etc

I think we should not add complexity to already complex modern life and most actions of governments bring around unintended consequences.

:-)
EBM

Mark Wadsworth said...

EBM, this was a thought experiment, not a serious policy proposal, and all you objections apply just as much to paper currencies (which are also expensive to print, transport, secure, replace, and which can also be forged).

If the Poor Widow knows that she can use her tokens as part payment in the supermarket, and the supermarket offers (say) 60p each, why would she sell them for 10p?

I just wanted to illustrate why coins, notes and electronic currencies issued by governments have a value - they have a value because people need them to pay their taxes.

If the government just issues tokens (or coins and notes) without collecting them back in as tax, then clearly they are worthless. it is the 'tax collecting' bit that gives them their value.

Woodsy42 said...

So where do Scottish pound notes traded in England fit into your thought experiment. Are they not simply tokens anyhow?

Mark Wadsworth said...

W42, Scottish pound notes have value in England because most shops are prepared to accept them instead of English pound notes. There are allegedly some shops or hotels in English tourist areas which accept payment in dollars or Euros.

As long as EUR or USD or Scottish pounds are given value (via the tax system) then the same sort of logic applies.

Anonymous said...

Hi Mark,

Sorry about this...that was meant to be a funny stab at things :-)

EBM

Mark Wadsworth said...

EBM, yes of course, instead of faffing about with a parallel currency (i.e. green plastic tokens) it is far simpler to decide their cash value (60p) and add that to the price of petrol and to pay adults £12 a week more in welfare payments, pensions, other benefits than they otherwise would have got. That reduces the complexities a lot, but the consequences, intended or otherwise (paying pensions, rationing road use) are the same.

Anonymous said...

Hey, some people do exchange their metal tokens for paper ones that are worth less... see coinstar etc, but all these should go out of business now that there are coin counting machines in HSBC, Barclays and Metro bank.

And every time you go to the airport you can see someone getting swindled out of his tokens - maybe not as much as 10p for 60p, but 20-30% is not uncommon.

Richard Allan said...

"The bus companies will also allow people to pay in tokens, and will set the price so that they get the right number of tokens to be able to buy the diesel they need etc."

No!! They will set the profit-maximising price. Someone hasn't read his Enoch Powell: "As if the cost of an item had anything whatsoever to do with its price".

Mark Wadsworth said...

RA, why? Let's say a particular bus route currently collects £1m a year in fares (1m passengers @ £1 each, that being the profit-maximising price for these purposes) and buys 70,000 litres of diesel, costing it £100,000 in fuel+tax.

With the tokens in operation, it will need to collect 70,000 tokens, which it 'buys' by giving a discount for people who part-pay in tokens.

Clearly, if it only offers 10p per token, people will rather spend them in a supermarket which offers 50p per token, or sell them to the petrol station which offers 60p.

The chances are, the bus company will end up offering the same price (i,e, discount) per token as the supermarket or the petrol station, so if you have surplus tokens (and only some people will) you can just pay 40p plus one token for a bus trip, or you can buy a weekly travel card for 16 tokens, or whatever.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Anon 14.22, that's another good example.

Derek said...

Great explanation, Mark. I've been thinking about the way tokens work a fair bit since I first came across MMT and have spotted another way for the tokens to have value separate from the taxation one. And that is for the payment of fines. So even in a country with no taxation of any kind, not even LVT, the government could run a fiat currency as long as it imposed large enough fines for traffic offences, murder, etc.

Mind you it would have to be a pretty small government since it would be "financed" by fines. It probably wouldn't be able to afford to run prisons, so I suppose that the only penalties apart from fines would be corporal/capital punishment. Of course for large fines the miscreant would probably be unable to pay immediately. That then leads on to further thoughts about indentured servitude or slavery as the results of unpaid fines.

An interesting side effect of relying on fines as part of monetary policy is that when inflation went up, fines would have to be increased. and when deflation appeared, fines would have to be decreased. So, assuming that fines have a deterrent affect on crime, the amount of crime would be lowered in times of high inflation and raised in times of low inflation.

Mark Wadsworth said...

D, with a straightforward plastic token system, you don't need to worry about price inflation, you just assume that from year to year, there will be a fairly stable number of crimes where the miscreant is apprehended.

It may well be true that in bad economic times, there is an increase in crime - but that sorts itself out - more crimes = more revenues = more revenues to pay for policemen etc.

Anonymous said...

Much better to fine people for having a land monopoly than to fine people for work...

Not sure why you would want to fine people for using petrol though?

AC1

Mark Wadsworth said...

AC1, fuel duty is a primitive but efficient form of road pricing. We could easily scrap fuel duty but then we'd have complete grid lock.