Friday 4 November 2011

Why do people assume that Greece has to stop using the Euro if it leaves the Euro-zone?

"Economist" Andrew Lilico* appeared on Channel 4 News yesterday evening, and he was reading from the same script as Allister Heath, i.e. if Greece leaves the Euro-zone then basically it would have to introduce a new currency which would devalue against the Euro by seventy or eighty per cent, there will be 'capital flight' and 'bank runs', molten lava will start raining from the sky etc etc. And as we know, the feeble minded have always insisted that Greece has no control over the currency it uses because it can't print Euros and can't set its own interest rates.

Now, this is all arrant nonsense, so let me try and unpick the web of self-supporting lies and prejudices and set a few matters straight...

1. Countries do not need to have their own currencies

It is traditional for most countries to have their own currency, but there's no absolute and over-riding reason why this should be.

Basically, very small countries just don't bother, because the convenience of using the same currency as your main trading partners far outweighs any marginal advantage of being able to set your own interest rates etc. Liechtenstein uses the Swiss Frank; the Channel Islands use sterling; a lot of shops in the German part of Switzerland were happy to accept Deutschmarks (and now probably accept Euros); Monte Carlo used to use the French Franc; Luxembourg used to use the Belgian Franc; Andorra used to use the Spanish Peseta; The Vatican and San Marino used to use the Italian Lira (these all now use the Euro); and so on.

Even in pre-Euro days, Germany, Benelux and Austria used to have very stable exchange rates and would co-ordinate their central bank interest rate policies, they have been a currency bloc for fifty years. It is also true that there are plenty of huge global corporations which have total income/expenditure far larger than the income/expenditure of smaller countries. None of these corporations have their own currency as such, they just use whatever the local currency is wherever they operate.

2. Any country can print any amount of any currency it likes - provided people are prepared to accept it in payment

In fact, anybody can do this. Remember: money does not exist in and of itself, it is a case of 'splitting the zero' and when you print money, you create an asset (the notes or coins or IOU) and a liability on yourself to redeem or honour them.

To give an example, when you apply for a mortgage, you actually print money, by writing a big number on a bit of paper and trotting round the various banks to see whether any will accept your 'currency'. The banks then decide whether you will be able to repay it out of your future income; you then choose the bank which gives you the best credit rating, i.e. which offers you the lowest interest rate. A UK buyer will print sterling, an American buyer will print US dollars and a Euro-zone buyer will print Euros.

The bank in turn prints its own sterling, dollar, Euro and gives that to the person who sold you the house. Their deposit is backed by the bank's assets, and the banks assets in turn consist of your ability and willingness to repay; and the seller/depositor can withdraw that money over time and spend it on goods and services which you produce; and you take that money and use it to repay the mortgage. So his deposit melts away as your mortgage is repaid. In reality you are getting a house now in return for providing the seller with goods and services in future, it's just that the whole system works better with standardised units rather than with face-to-face barter.

The point here is that governments only need to print money if their expenses exceeds their income (to which see 4).

3. Greece would not need to stop using the Euro as its functional currency even if it left the Euro-zone

This overlaps with 1. above.

I can imagine it's a bit of a hassle introducing a new currency, but that all assumes that Greece has to stop using Euro as its functional currency, even if it does leave the Euro-zone or do a partial default, but who says they do?

Whether the government defaults on part of its debts or not has nothing to do with which currency it uses thereafter (Did Russia stop using the Rouble after its partial default in the late 1990s? Methinks not), in the same way as a lot of companies have gone into and out of administration or done debt-for-equity swaps and still continue using the same currency as before.

(The most recent example I can think of when a country scrapped its old currency and introduced a completely new one was West Germany in 1948, but that was not announced in advance. They just did it overnight, every adult was given DM 40 and told to get on with it, the old Reichsmark were just so much waste paper. Older Germans can still remember that as soon as the Deutschmark was introduced, there were jobs to be had, the shops were full of things to buy and so on, different topic, this was more about wiping out the ill gotten gains of the old Nazis who had hoarded Reichsmark).

Real Greek people and businesses can use any currency they like, in the same way as some Swiss shops used to accept Deutschmarks and now accept Euros. Most governments, for convenience, tend to use one currency only, and there's another fairly modern tradition that taxes are collected in 'money' rather than in kind, but this is only a convention, and there's no over-riding reason why this should be the case (to which see 5).

Now, a government doesn't earn money in the traditional sense, it raises taxes, but as long as the Greek government can collect taxes - which it can and does, it collects 39% of its GDP in taxes, mainly via swingeing VAT - it has no problem as long as it keeps state spending to 39% of GDP. It doesn't of course, but that is a separate issue (to which see 4).

4. Governments only need to print money if they are running deficits. Governments CAN set their own interest rates, even if they use a foreign currency. Government CANNOT set their own interest rates, just because they are using their own currency

If a government matches income and expenditure, it does not need to print or create money at all, or at least, it creates and destroys money at the same rate, so by the end of each month it all squares out again (see 5).

It is only when a government is running a deficit that it needs to 'print money' and the amount they can print depends on its credit worthiness, i.e. the ratio of its overall debt to its current surplus, just like with my mortgage example in 2. Our hero who earns £50,000 has no problem printing an IOU for £150,000 and being accepted by a bank, but very few banks would accept an IOU from him for £500,000.

There is a grey area of course, if our hero wants to borrow £100,000 he'll get a much better interest rate than if he wants to borrow £200,000, and once we get past £300,000 or so, only one or two banks will be willing to lend to him and at very high interest rates, and if he wants to print £500,000 no bank will accept him (i.e. no bank will give him such a mortgage, i.e. the interest rate charged is infinity). Thus the interest rate that the mortgage borrower has to pay depends largely on how much he wants to borrow relative to his income.

I did some charts a while back that show exactly the same rule applies to countries who all use the Euro. The Dutch government pays next to nothing on its government debt because it hardly has any and runs a surplus, Greece and Italy pay the highest rates because their debts are so huge and they run deficits. Quite how the UK government - which is just as indebted as either and runs similar deficits gets away with the derisory interest rates it pays, I simply do not know.

So if the Greek government wants to pay lower interest rates, all it has to do is to run a surplus and pay off its national debt, which can be done surprisingly quickly if a country puts its mind to it, i.e. over ten years or so.

Conversely, let's imagine Greece were to reintroduce the Drachma, re-denominate its debts and start collecting taxes and paying for pensions and salaries in Drachma. Investors would look at the overall ratio between total stock of debt; current tax receipts; and current surplus/deficit and that dictates the interest rate. It's not as if the Zimbabwean government could arbitrarily choose to pay any old interest rate it liked until it scrapped Zim dollars and started using US dollars, is it? That particular experiment seems to have worked, so why should we assume that Greece can achieve a positive outcome by doing the opposite and going from a stable, major currency back to a tin-pot currency?

5. Governments do not need to use any particular currency for tax and spending purposes, because whatever units they choose becomes a currency in its own right

Let's take a simple example and assume that a government runs neither a deficit nor a surplus, so it collects exactly as much as it pays out; or more to the point, it pays out as much as it collects. As Modern Monetary Theory teaches us, the order is unimportant.

It could use green plastic tokens if it wished (provided they are very hard to forge) and decide that pensioners get a hundred plastic tokens a week, teachers and nurses get two hundred a week, policemen get three hundred and doctors five hundred. It then works out that it needs to issue three billion plastic tokens a month, so it has to claim back those three billion plastic tokens in tax. It then decides a simple tax system, where the tax on one litre of petrol or a bottle of wine is one plastic token; the tax on a house is a hundred plastic tokens a week, and so on, as long as the numbers balance somehow.

So a pensioner receives and has to pay a hundred a week and is indifferent. A teacher has a surplus of a hundred tokens and can sell them to anybody who needs to pay their house tax, fill their car with petrol, buy booze, for whatever the going rate is. Or a teacher can take his two hundred tokens, pay his house tax, buy fifty litres of petrol and buy fifty bottles of wine (if he so wishes, not that this 'blog approves of drinking and driving).

Those green plastic tokens have value because people need to get hold of them to pay their house tax or petrol tax or booze tax. Quite how much one token is worth in £-s-d depends entirely on people's marginal preferences between being a teacher/ nurse or working in the private sector; between buying booze, driving a car or having a house to themselves (if five people share a house, the tax is only twenty tokens each per week), and no doubt an exchange rate would be established so that you can go down to the bank and buy or sell tokens for a fairly stable amount in £-s-d, it may be 57p per token, it may be £1.23, the free markets will sort this out.

* He's not an "economist" at all, if you ask me, he is a "commentator on economic matters". By analogy, a sports reporter is not an athlete.
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UPDATE: He has emailed me a spirited defence with some links to his research work, which you can peruse at your leisure and make up your own mind:

http://www.jti.com/file.axd?pointerID=8e10b02017a843cd920459089c544088

http://cesifo.oxfordjournals.org/content/56/2/141.abstract

http://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/26648/1/597827478.PDF

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/consultations/823069/responses/Europe_Economics_report.pdf

http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/pdfs/Controlling_Public_Spending_-_Nov_09.pdf

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/document/activities/cont/201108/20110818ATT25094/20110818ATT25094EN.pdf

http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pubs/international/mifid_impact.pdf (Annex 2)

http://www.europe-economics.com/publications/bc_rs_thefutureofbankingregulation.pdf

Also worth a look is his excellent summary of the whys and hows of debt for equity swaps.

29 comments:

James Higham said...

The moment we go down the token road, we get into SDRs and thence to oligarchical control. At this time, that's the thing to be avoided at all costs. National currencies need to make a comeback.

Russia was in freefall and simply stipulated what the rouble was to be worth for the foreseeable, they let the world collapse outside and ran their own economy inside - I was there at the time.

It's this belief that one must follow the international rules which creates such immense international control of a country.

Mark Wadsworth said...

JH,

1. What's the difference between issuing plastic tokens or metal tokens with £1 stamped on them?

2. The oligarchs control everything anyway, separate issue, I'm just talking about the mechanics of this.

3. How can Russia dictate its own exchange rate to the outside world? It's an expensive and messy business manipulating exchange rates and it's only surplus countries which can depress their currencies without going to wrack and ruin. For a deficit country to try and prop up its currency is nigh suicidal.

4. Agreed on the last bit. That's the point about sovereignty, you can ignore the international rules (albeit you lose goodwill each time you do so which then has to be built up again over the decades).

Anonymous said...

Hi Mark,

It is just that any such 'reset' will impose significant loss on the creditors (who incidentally includes the old, the pensioners and most of the middle class). The superrich already have their money out, so they are ok.

They could reset Reiscmark into DM because there was a moral authority to do so.

What psyche a reset will cause is hard to tell. In any case, Greece is not really an issue, then other bits of PIIGS combined is.

As an EU member, Greek enjoys the freedom of movement of capital and goods - so that complicate things even further. (Yes, we can always install a dictatorship, but that is not exactly an example EU needs).

EBM

Mark Wadsworth said...

EBM, look, a govt. can reduce it's debts by

a) Defaulting
b) Reducing spending
c) Increasing taxes

Whatever they do, the big creditors will always play the Poor Widow And Orphans Bogey. If you want to make the 'super rich' bear a larger share, then clearly (c) is the way to go, and clearly the best way of taxing them is LVT (rich people don't pay income tax in Greece).

Lola said...

Excellent. Simply put, if we can have 'free schools' we can have 'free money'. The key ingredient is 'competition' between currencies, keeping them honest. Which is, of course, an anathema to pretty well any politician - with a few honourable exceptions.

Anonymous said...

Simply put it's best to match the change in the amount of amount of currency with the change in the amount raised by the LVT.

Basically "currency" becomes an LVT payment credit.

Mark Wadsworth said...

L, ta.

Anon: "it's best to match the change in the amount of amount of currency with the change in the amount raised by the LVT."

It's not even as complicated as that. Hence the thought experiment with tokens. You can just stick to a fixed number of tokens to be issued and collected each week for ever.

If relative supply and demand for nurses, petrol, booze, housing, changes, then the £-s-d value of the token adjusts up or down automatically.

Maybe we establish that the cash value of the tokens falls so low that nobody wants to work as a policeman any more. Fair enough, you decide that they now get 400 tokens a week instead of 300, and you either reduce the tokens which everybody else gets given, or you hike the house tax to 105 tokens a week to balance it all out etc.

Ralph Musgrave said...

I suggest the reason Greece must discontinue its use of the Euro is thus.

Greece could solve its problems overnight (certainly the “competitiveness” problem) if it cut its wages and prices by about 50%. This has exactly the same effect as devaluation in the case of a country with its own currency.

Indeed, the latter is the aim of the long drawn out deflation that is imposed on miscreant Euro countries. Problem is that Greek people won’t accept the long draw out “devaluation” nor would they accept the above “instant devaluation”.

However, what people (for completely illogical reasons) DO accept is conventional devaluation. E.g. the pound sterling was devalued by about 25% in 2008. And half the UK population didn’t even notice!!!! Much less did they complain.

If Greece left the EZ but continued to use the Euro, the irrational (but perhaps understandable) behaviour of Greek people would still prevent a solution.

Thus Greece may have to abandon the Euro and re-introduce the Drachma.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Ralph, yes, politically, we can rule out option 1 (wage and price cut). Option 2 (long drawn out) doesn't sound too tasty either.

Option 3, currency devaluations are politically quite easy - provided of course the currency was free floating in the first place like GBP or USD.

I don't think anybody with Greek savings will take too kindly to being told that their EUR savings will be swapped 1-for-1 with new GDR savings (which are worth only half as much), which why it would have to be done overnight, but that's only half the equation...

What about borrowers? If I'm Greek and I owe EUR500,000 on my mortgage and that gets changed to GRD 500,000 (equivalent to EUR250,000) then I am going to be very chuffed indeed.

And that whole 'capital flight' must surely reverse itself? If you knew the swap was going to happen next week and withdrew your savings today, you can then bring the money back in two weeks' time and hey presto, the value of your savings has (in GDR terms) doubled, so the banks get twice as much back in deposits as they lost, which more than makes up for the loss on the fall in value of assets.

Or maybe the banks could just refuse to redenominate their mortgages and say that they are repayable in full in EUR. I dunno.

Lola said...

It seems to me the further this mess advances, and the more the loony tunes cod Keynsians thrash about for 'The Answer', the more the evidence grows for an 'Austrian' explanation and solution.
I cannot for the life of me understand why the meeja (well the BBC) cannot grasp that Greece can use any money it choses, or rather that the Greek people can use any money they chose.

Ralph Musgrave said...

Mark, I haven’t really thought thru the mortgage / debtor / creditor question. So it’s a case of “I dunno either”. But certainly Greek debtors would be badly hit. However, the latter problem is much the same whatever type of devaluation they go for.

The moral is: think twice before building up debts which are denominated in a currency other than your own. I think lots of Hungarians took out mortgages a few years ago denominated Swiss Francs, and they have been hit.

Jill said...

Well, there was an exchange rate for RM to DM, too, not just 'here, have 40 shiny new pennies'. And didn't the conversion spark the Berlin Blockade? Who knows what other people might do in the Greek situation? But still, yes, main thrust of this - point taken.

Mark Wadsworth said...

L: "the Greek people can use any money they choose" exactly, nobody appears to have considered the option that they leave Euro-zone but still use Euros (like Montenegro, allegedly).

RM, good, if we both know that we don't know then we don't need to argue about it :-)

More to the point, there are a few quite separate issues which people get confused:

1. Uncompetitive Greek private economy, which would be helped in short term by devaluation.

2. High government debts, which would be helped in short term by defaulting.

Or we could say that these high govt debts are caused by excessive welfare and public sector salaries, so people either demand higher wages for private sector jobs or stay unemployed, and it is this which makes the Greek economy uncompetitive.

So reducing welfare, public sector salaries would solve both issues, but only in the medium or long term, and it will be wildly unpopular in Greece.

QP said...

I think Andrew Lilico does qualify as a 'proper' economist, which probably only serves to undermine his opinions.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Jill, that's the frustrating thing, any German over the age of 68 can remember their parents getting DM 40 each. It just got given to each adult, I think you collected it from the post office or something.

They also vaguely remember that savings accounts were swapped RM10 to DM 1 but only up to a certain limit, so if you had more than RMx0,000 in savings you lost the excess.

"Yes, but what about mortgages?" I always ask, "What if you had a RM 50,000 mortgage? How much did you have to repay? Did that get reduced to DM5,000?" and that is the bit that nobody can remember any more, infuriatingly enough.

The Berlin Blockade had little to do with this, that was a Russian thing.

Mark Wadsworth said...

QP, I've offended the poor chap enough today, I'm keeping quiet on that point.

Anonymous said...

Hi Mark,

Also, I think the French did the same after WW2, again to wipe out Nazis collaborator hoards of the old franc.

@other,

Sure - you can use any currency you like but all currencies have to be backed by productivities. With Euro, they 'borrowed' the productivity from the rest of the bloc and can buy more than they deserve. It is just like Zimbabwe can use any currencies they like, it just doesn't make them richer or more comfortable.


EBM

chefdave said...

Nice one. I'm glad you've cleared that up, I just hope the faux-libs are listening so they can put their currency based 'solutions' to one side and start addressing the genuine source of the problem. It's all fairly obvious when you ditch the doublethink, but a surprising number of people are apparently impervious to mere facts and logic.

Richard said...

There is a great deal wrong with this post. However, the main thing is you are attempting to violate the ' impossible trinity '.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_trinity

There would be very little point in them leaving the EZ to continue with a euro economy. Greece can't have an independent monetary policy, free capital movement and a fixed exchange rate. A fixed exchange rate is what they effectively would have retaining an economy denominated in euros. It would be fixed because the price of a euro is always 1. One euro is always worth exactly another euro. Therefore, leaving the EZ and trying to retain the euro in the same fashion as the dollarised economies, means that their price level would not adjust as it would with a new currency. The price level being too high is their fundamental problem and all other problems flow from that.

Retaining the euro means they could not have an independent monetary policy or would have to have capital controls. They would be importing the ECB monetary policy and that is the problem, it is too tight compared to what is required in Greece. All the dollarised economies or those who peg to the dollar import the Fed monetary policy. If you logically think through all the implications from the impossible trinity you will see that leaving the EZ and retaining the euro is no solution. Greece needs a devaluation of everything currently priced in euros in the Greek economy.

Mark Wadsworth said...

R, there is a great deal which is wrong with that comment.

As to you Impossible Triangle, I explained that the Greek government can't have an independent monetary policy whether it uses the Euro or any other currency.

If it sticks with Euro = will have to pay whatever interest rates the markets demand.

If if reintroduces Drachma = will have to pay whatever interest rates the markets demand.

Can you explain how on earth the Greek government, or any government come to that, can have an 'independent monetary policy'? The main way in which they influence interest rates is by running surpluses or deficits, which applies whatever currency they use.

As to your notion that their industry is 'uncompetitive', I explained that above, this is caused by the Greek government being too generous with welfare, pensions and public sector pay, THAT'S what's making them uncompetitive and that has VERY LITTLE to so with exchange rates, defaults.

Richard said...

Of course they can have an independent monetary policy outside the EZ. Monetary policy is effectively the growth path of NGDP. Interest rates are not a goal of monetary policy, they are a tool towards the policy goal of steady NGDP.

You are too focused on interest rates. Interest rates say very little about monetary policy. In fact, none other than Milton Friedman pointed out that interest rates can often lead people into the fallacy of believing that low interest rates equals easy money, and high interest rates tight money. It is nearly always the opposite.

" The main way in which they influence interest rates is by running surpluses or deficits "

I would say the government fiscal deficit or surplus can influence interest rates. However, it is certainly not the main way. When the UK fiscal deficit exploded in 2008, nominal interest rates across all maturities moved in the opposite direction. Moreover, they have stayed low ever since even with a large deficit. When the economy improves and the government fiscal deficit declines interest rates will rise as the deficit falls.

I agree that there is a million and one things in Greece that they could do to deal with their public spending and rigidities throughout their economy that helps to make them uncompetitive. However, there is no getting away from the fact that the euro exchange rate is overvalued in relation to the fundamentals of the Greek economy. Although they are members of a monetary union a real effective exchange rate still applies and the uncompetitiveness shows up in them running a 14% current account deficit in 2008. If the currency that their economy is denominated in was not overvalued, then a new currency introduced in Greece at 1.1 to the euro would not massively devalue. We know it would devalue, which indicates how overvalued their current one is vis-a-vis Greek fundamentals. For example, tourism is a Greek export. After a devaluation Greek holidays would instantly be more competitive for foreigners and that would occur throughout the Greek economy.

Ultimately what makes them uncompetitive is their poor productivity. I take your point that " being too generous with welfare, pensions and public sector pay, " affects their productivity. It is just not the whole story otherwise they would be currently improving.

Some old charts here showing how uncompetitive their real effective exchange got after joining the EZ.
http://edwardhughtoo.blogspot.com/2010/11/greece-is-almost-certainly-on-track-but.html

Lola said...

Richard / MW. I think that there is a lot of confusion between 'money' and 'government policy'. Money is simply a commodity with pretty well zero cost of production that we all agree to use as a medium of exchange. Now, governments hate the independence of this, so they make legal tender laws (bad thing) and then set about inflation. Governments do need to raise some tax so they can also invent a miney unit in which to price these taxes, let's call it the Drachma - but they maky decide not to inflict that official money on the population, which may use any money it likes, lets say the Greek people use USD/Eu/GBP/Coke bottle tops as it suits them. Clearly it is well within the wit of the market to set up rates of exchange between all these monies and the Greek government can collect taxes in whatever currency is offered. As to interest rates, these will be set by the market, not the Greek Central bank, which would be a great liberation for the Greek people. The Greek goverment would have to pay the market rates. It would not be able to set them (a Very Good Thing). It would also be very interesting to see Gresham's Law in action.

DBC Reed said...

As a historical point: Lucius Clay's revaluation of the Reichsmark/D.Mark
did lead to the Berlin Airlift as the Russians would n't accept it in "their" zone.
Also MW's initial argument rather overdoes the Governments-only-have-to-print-money-in-times-of-deficit
angle.The whole point of the pre-war monetary reformers was to print money so as to supply demand to bring economies working below capacity up to capacity : with National Dividends or other means .(Gesell and his follower Keynes merely believed in speeding up the velocity of money so one unit of curency would do the work of two in a sluggish economy-another way of skinning the cat without increasing the supply of money).
Also why issue plastic chips and not money?
BTW please supply private address by e-mail: I have an original issue of the Chronicle and Echo for 20 January to send you .Terms of your humble apology or ritual humiliation to be arranged.

Mark Wadsworth said...

R, I did point out in the post that even though UK govt is running horrendous deficits, interest rates are surprisingly low, so there's no need to quote that back at me.

I'm not sure what you think "monetary policy" is, so perhaps you can explain in practical terms what you mean (maybe your understanding is different to mine), and then we can discuss whether countries which do NOT have their own currency can choose their own "monetary policy".

And perhaps you can explain to me why you think it's a good idea for governments to interfere in the economy anyway.

L, agreed, if in doubt, let the markets and competition sort things out.

DBC, that might have been one of the things which led to Berlin Blockade, but not the only one, surely?

I have emailed you my home address. I'm not sure how the existence of such an article disproves my statement that I couldn't find it online. Even if it is online that doesn't mean that I could find it.

James Higham said...

What's the difference between issuing plastic tokens or metal tokens with £1 stamped on them?

It's all in who's backing the tokens and whether you trust them.

Lola said...

JH, quite. If we view 'money' (as in notes and coin) as tokens then all we need is to be confident in their durability and that we can exchange them for their 'face value' - if we want to. This is part of the argument for a return to the gold standard.

DBC Reed said...

MW Don't try to wriggle out of it.Your original claim was that it did n't "ring true"thus doubting my word .You will shortly find that it was all too true that they did print the bizarre opening sentence stating that campaigners against the high cost of alcohol in Northampton were complaining that Government plans to reduce the price of alcohol did n't go far enough.
I doubt that the paper puts all its stories online,especially stories way back on p24.
Did they put their prime position p2 story online viz "Computer found with images of gorilla porn"?

Richard said...

Mark, I do not believe that it is good for the government to interfere in the economy per se. I do believe that it is best for all concerned if monetary policy allows the economy to proceed in a predictable growth path. Therefore, NGDP growth targeting is the best way to keep government discretionary monetary policy out of the economy.

There are two main types of monetary policy NGDP targeting. Level targeting where deviations are recovered to achieve the lost level. That type is favoured by Scott Sumner.
http://www.adamsmith.org/files/ASI_NGDP_WEB.pdf

http://www.themoneyillusion.com/

The other type that I favour is a monetary regime that stabilizes the growth path of nominal GDP. The point is stabilising the growth path and deviations would only seek to return to the previous path. Bill Woolsey has lots of good posts on that form and this post gets to the heart of what is meant.

http://monetaryfreedom-billwoolsey.blogspot.com/2011/09/larry-white-on-international-gold.html

The UK has long term real GDP growth of around 2.5%. Therefore, if the explicit monetary policy was for 4.5-5% annual NGDP, then that level of growth would be known by all. Therefore, if the NGDP target was 5% and it turned out that all the growth was inflation, then the problems are supply side and beyond the scope of monetary policy. Periods where good supply side deflation led to falling prices such as we seen with electronics. Those periods would see higher real growth and lower inflation. Moreover, good supply side reforms such as a LVT would also result in higher real growth and lower inflation. However, it is all done with the economy growing in a predictable path and the only role of monetary policy is to prevent deviations.

Lola,

A gold standard is certainly not the state staying out of the economy. In a gold standard the state is central to the economy. The same thing with 100 percent reserve banking, which has everywhere always been a state construct. The market when it was ever free to choose never chose that model.
http://www.freebanking.org/2011/05/31/the-state-and-100-percent-reserve-banking/

Mark Wadsworth said...

R, you're probably right, but what I don't like is the whole idea of the government targetting anything or having a 'monetary policy' in the first place. The minute you target something, you create distortions and people will exploit those distortions etc.

I thought that governments were there to preserve law and order, defend its citizens, keep the streets clean and dustbins emptied, and to redistribute land and monopoly rents (or prevent them arising in the first place).

For sure, even the most sensible government will run deficits in some years and surpluses in others, but it's better to aim for constant surpluses and have an occasional deficit than to aim for a break even and constantly disappoint.