From today's Daily Star:
TAXPAYERS have been hit doubly hard by high unemployment. Rising levels of jobless workers cost up to £100 million a week in benefit.(1) And, to process them all, the Department of Work and Pensions has taken on around 17,000 extra staff...
In 2008/09, when the recession first hit, the department paid out just over £3billion to 106,963 staff. The following year more than 13,000 new staff were taken on, with the wage bill swelling to around £3.5billion. And the latest figures we’ve uncovered show there are now around 123,390 staff at the DWP. (2) Last night campaigners called on the ?Government to reform the welfare system rather than spend on more civil servants... (3)
Latest figures show there are around 2.6 million people out of work in the UK. And last month 1,598,400 claimed jobseekers allowance totalling around £98,255,573 a week... If unemployment levels stay the same, taxpayers will be shelling out more than £5 billion a year in jobseekers allowance.(4)
Last year, around £3.3 billion was lost to fraud and error and the DWP has had to employ staff to start a new Fraud & Error Strategy which it hopes will cut the losses by around £1.4 billion in the next four years... (5)
It's just not clear what point they are trying to make, as they are mixing and matching lots of different figures and missing the bigger picture entirely.
1) It's not the "rising levels" which cost £100 million a week, because that's the total. The additional unemployment benefit we pay out because of the "recession" is obviously only a fraction of that. And 'recession' is a wildly misleading term, as it is merely the result of something else, the actual root cause, and not something that just happens out of the blue.
2) Grossing that up would give us a DWP wages bill of £3.5 billion a year, but we know from DWP's own Departmental Report that their running costs are about £9 billion a year (see page 141, pdf), which is 5p for every £1 they pay out.
3) Yup. Replace the whole lot, including the tax free personal allowance, with a Citizen's Income scheme which will cost next-to-nothing to administer. Problem is that most of the people talking about welfare reform want to implement all sorts of authoritarian nanny-knows-best type wrinkles which hugely increase the cost. And the people at the DWP have always blocked it because it would put ninety per cent of them out of work.
4) £5 billion for 1.6 million claimants works out at about £60 a week each, seems 'about right'. But... DWP's own tables show that unemployment benefit in all its guises is more like £13 billion (half of all working age benefits, let's say). But what's £13 billion? It's less than one per cent of GDP, that's what it is, or two per cent of all government spending.
5) It's far more than £3.3 billion because this does not include fraud and error in Tax Credits (administered by HM Revenue & Customs), but yippee! Make the system so complicated that we need to take on more civil servants to reduce fraud and error again!
Now, look at those figures again, running costs £9 billion, fraud and error at least £5 billion and dole actually paid out £13 billion? A bit of an imbalance there, surely? Correct, it's because DWP administers loads of other stuff besides dole money. From page 141 again, benefits actually paid out:
Working age £26 billion
Pensions £82 billion
Disability £19 billion
Housing Benefit £26 billion
The Housing Benefit figure is wildly overstated as about two-third of that is merely money shuffled from DWP to local councils to pay headline rent demanded which poorer council tenants can't afford in the first place, if they reduced headline rents even further, then two-thirds of HB would no longer show up as an expense. It's the one-third paid to 'private' landlords which does the damage.
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Abolish housing benefit and drop house prices by £500 billion.
£25 billion arv @5% = £500 billion
Total property stock value is £4000 billion. Divide by 2 for housing alone £2000 billion.
House prices would fall by 25% right?
Rough numbers. Will be errors. But any big ones?
RS, ignore the bookkeeping entries between DWP and local councils. The government gives 'private' landlords around £9 billion a year, which probably pushes up rents by £9 billion and hence the purchase price of housing by £180 billion, i.e. house prices might fall five per cent or so, all in, if this particular bit of corporatist spending were axed.
5-10% reduced house prices would rehouse a lot of homeless.
Go tell Shelter. And Empty Homes. They will run a mile. Would put them out of a high paid job.
"The people at the DWP have always blocked it because it would put ninety per cent of them out of work."
Absolutely right. That's why they won't let HMRC do the means testing of the new Universal Credit.
Well some of the disparity you highlight between quoted staff costs and total running costs can be relatively easily identified from a glance at the DWP's list of "supplier contract costs" - The DWP spent £4.63bn overall on "suppliers" in 2010-11, slightly up on the £4.59bn total spending on suppliers in 2009-10.
Major players :-
Property firm Telereal Trillium remains the DWP's largest supplier.
It received £786.3m in 2010-11 for delivering facilities management services to the department under its Prime contract, a fraction of a percent less than the £782.9m in 2009-10.
In the 2nd to 5th slots the Department for Work and Pensions cut its spending in 2010-11 with HP and BT, but increased it with Atos Origin.
HP Enterprise Services remains the Department for Work and Pensions' (DWP) second largest supplier, despite a drop in the government's spending with the firm.
It received £629.4m in 2010-11, according to figures published by the department. The DWP paid the firm £656.9m in 2009-10, showing a 4 per cent reduction in the DWP's spending with HP, which until September 2009 was known as EDS.
BT came third in the list of the DWP's top 100 suppliers. (please don't assume the list stops at that neat 100 !)
BP received £214.6m in 2010-11, an 8 per cent decrease compared to the sum of £232.8m it received from the department last year.
Both BT and HP are long-term 'IT partners' of the DWP.
Atos Origin fared better than its rivals, with a 16 per cent increase in the money it received from the department.
Atos was paid £175.2m in 2010-11, compared to £150.8m in the last financial year, coming fifth in the DWP's supplier list.
Together, the three firms HP, BT and Atos received just over £1bn from the department.
Other companies on the DWP suppliers list which provide IT and related services include:-
Serco (10th, £86.6m);
Accenture (11th, £67.8m);
Xerox (15th, £56.3m);
Capita (17th, £47.1m);
Vertex Data Science (19th, £37.9m);
and Computacenter (25th, £25.6m).
Firms with smaller supplier contracts to the DWP include:-
Fujitsu (37th, £16.9m);
Tata Consultancy Services (41st, £15.8m);
Deloitte (48th, £11.9m);
Capgemini (53rd, £8.6m);
Steria (59th, £6.2m);
Cable & Wireless (66th, £5.4m); and Ricoh (67th, £5.4m).
Loosely related to the matter under discusion possibly, but I did like the reporting of this :-
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/million-women-are-missing-from-britains-workforce-6275529.html
which deals with a study by the Resulotion Foundation which has established that, well, there are 'a million women missing' from the UK workforce and that is because UK childcare and other family policies (so there are the links to welfare, employment and the DWP)fail to match those of other countries ..
Any road up, the lines in the article which really 'light it up' imho are these ..
George Osborne, the Chancellor, announced more free childcare places for lower to middle income families in his Autumn Statement last month, but is also understood to be examining extending childcare provision further to increase women's presence in the jobs market.
and then later ...
'While there are not one million jobs available in the current economic climate, the think tank said that improvements in family policies and childcare provision would be a potential jobs market in themselves – as women would be looking for work and setting up businesses, while over the longer term there would be more employment available.'
I have assumed therefore that these new businesses would be um having a significant element of their running costs funded directly or indirectly by 'the state' - you know that entity, sometimes alternatively referred to as "the government", when newspapers and think tanks etc. run shy of using the term "taxpayers" ...
Anon 22.04, thanks for the extra digging, that is well worth highlighting. That's the sort of corporatist welfare that I'll put a stop to the minute I'm in charge.
Anon 00.13, that idea is not as daft as you might think, provided the subsidies to child care are less than the extra taxes which are generated by more women going out to work.
AC, from our point of view, whether it's bureaucrats at DWP messing it up or bureaucrats at HMRC messing it up (like they do with tax credits) is neither here nor.
Confession time :
re "Anon 00.13, that idea is not as daft as you might think, provided the subsidies to child care are less than the extra taxes which are generated by more women going out to work."
I had maybe, prompted by now firmly embedded cynicism, misinterpreted the reporting of the Resolution Foundation report - and I note the IPPR is apparently saying similar things today - http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/dec/11/free-childcare-millions-tax-mums - and I fully appreciate the simple logic; but what I had probably read/misread into the original article about the RF study was a suggestion that on top of providing the childcare to release the 1 million mums into the workplace that 'extra' money would be found to seed fund the very nurseries/childcare facilities that would then be run by some of the 'released mums' to look after the offspring of other released mums, which if allowed to run unchecked ... etc. etc.
Anon, fair play.
As it happens, I'm in favour of education vouchers, and part of the value of 'free' or subsidised education to the parents is that it allows lower paid parents to go out to work (as a bonus, not a feature), rather than parent not going to work and child not going to school at all.
I don't see any big dividing line between schools and nurseries. Between the ages three and six, it's pretty much a grey area, so I'm in favour of nursery vouchers (which actually exist, and work very well) the same as I'm in favour of education vouchers.
that idea is not as daft as you might think, provided the subsidies to child care are less than the extra taxes which are generated by more women going out to work.
The expenses won't net off every year for all women, but the argument I've heard from several proponents is that subsidised childcare pays in the long run because women are able to maintain skills/income and are more likely to continue working if sending the kids to nursery at an early age. It's not a wholly unconvincing argument, but I'm concerned about the role such arrangements plays in directing choices (if no benefit is given when not sending to nursery). Who is to say that the wee ones benefits from being shipped off as soon as possible? That being said, I have to admit the idea of staying home any longer than I did with three kids scare me...
-Kj
Kj: "Who is to say that the wee ones benefits from being shipped off as soon as possible? That being said, I have to admit the idea of staying home any longer than I did with three kids scare me..."
If the subsidy is funded by the taxpayer, i.e. by society in general, then society in general can also decide at what age the vouchers kick in, my personal preference is two years old (I can see arguments for six months or for four years, details, details).
At that age kids prefer being with other kids and parents (i.e. usually mums) prefer going back to work or having a bit of piece and quiet in the day time, which all strikes me as fair enough.
And if mums want to stay at home with kids until school age, fair enough that's up to them. If they want to stay at home without kids, also fair enough I never recommended a subsidy to cover the full cost anyway, so they'd still be paying and the mums at home with kids would save themselves the difference.
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