Friday 1 April 2011

Killer Arguments Against LVT, not (105)

James Higham quotes from my previous post:

"... if you pay rent to a private landlord, they say that because you are paying to a private individual, that's fair game and voluntary, but if the state levies a land-related tax on top (e.g. Business Rates) that this is involuntary."

and responds thusly:

"Most uneasy about this one. A tax and a rent are two different things. One is payment for services directly rendered and the other a payment for theoretical benefits as a national whole."

Ho hum.

Let's look at facts and real life and logic.

1. The rent or price you pay to occupy a building is an all-inclusive price for that building at that location.

2. So if you compare two different buildings at the same location, the price will differ slightly if one is in good condition and the other is in poor repair etc. That difference is extra profit which the owner of the good building generates and clearly belongs to the owner. We can safely assume that there is such a thing as a fair return on the money tied up in bricks and mortar (let's assume five per cent per annum), so even the owner of the bad building will be getting some return on his bricks and mortar investment (see limiting case in 4. and 5. below).

3. Similarly, you can compare two identical buildings at two completely different locations (let's say Outer London and the North West). There will be a huge difference in the price which clearly has nothing to do with the efforts of the owner. It is the location which sets the upper limits for the price, and not the building.

4. Taken to extremes, let's imagine a well-built office block in north east Japan which survived the tsunami but is surrounded by tens of square miles of rubble; it is the only building which still has electricity and water supply, so the services which the landlord is providing his tenants is unchanged since a month ago.

5. Do people not think that this landlord will struggle to command the same rent as he would have been able to a month ago? It is quite possibly the case that the rent he can get is so low that it is less than a fair return on his bricks and mortar investment and the cost of other services he provides (concierge, cleaning, repairs, whatever) and he'd be best advised to give it up as a bad job and abandon the building to its fate.

6. Therefore, is is quite easy to differentiate between the value of 'services directly supplied by the landlord or vendor' and the value of 'benefits provided by the nation as a whole'. There is nothing 'theoretical' about it; the precise calculation is to some extent guesswork but the net present value of the 'benefits provided by the nation as a whole' is reflected by the cost of buying bare land at that location (again, to work out the annual value, you can either take this known figure and multiply it by an interest rate, or you can simply compare total rents at a good location and a bad location, as in 3. above).

9 comments:

Onus Probandy said...

I'm still having difficulty with this.

If water rates go up or down, are those changes adopted by the land lord or the tenant?

Let's say all businesses in an office block require a computer. Does the land lord or the tenant get the benefit of ever decreasing technology prices?

In essence: why is it that only business rate reductions would be collected by the land lord, and not all overheads?

Mark Wadsworth said...

OP, you have to look at each factor separately.

Let's take ever cheaper and ever better IT and internet connections.

Clearly, these favour online retailers, so it's bad for the High Street (HMV) and hence bad for High Street rents.

But having a broadband connection increases the rental value of houses (compared to those that don't have it) and large warehouses (for the online retailers), so this shifts rental values from one place to another.

Better IT = higher productivity, so all things being equal, this = higher rents on office blocks.

Similarly, these cheap and flat LCD TV's take up hardly any space, so the rental value of flats with small sitting rooms goes up accordingly (for a one off payment of £400, you can free up a square yard of space formerly occupied by your CRT TV).

As a general rule, technological improvements increase the relative share of rents in a growing economy (easily observable in practice - wages in London are twice as high as Up North, but rents are three times as high, for example - the balance of disposable income is much the same wherever you live in the UK).

Onus Probandy said...

So it's true that it is the landlord that gets the benefit of cheaper/better technology?

Hmph; that makes the case for LVT even stronger.

Mark Wadsworth said...

OP, interestingly, a Home-Owner-Ist at ConservativeHome cheerfully admitted these very facts but turned the argument on its head:

His argument was, so what if rents and house prices are going up faster than wages? With improved productivity, the price of 'everything else' is going down relative to wages, and the rents just soak up the balance, so at least tenants and FTBs are no worse off, overall.

I told him he was a sick and twisted individual - what is the point in everybody slaving away to make stuff cheaper and better if no benefits accrue to them in the end, and all the benefits just go to landowners? Shouldn't those benefits be accruing to the people doing the slaving, the inventing etc?

Onus Probandy said...

It's worse than that surely?

As the mantra goes: incentives matter.

If people don't see the benefit of increased productivity and effort, what is their incentive to supply them? I don't imagine that people are as conscious of this effect, but surely it means that over time, we will all simply stagnate, as there is no advantage to not stagnating?

Mark Wadsworth said...

OP, it is not as bad as that.

It's like evolution, the giraffes get better at escaping from lions and lions get better at catching giraffes.

Compared to a non-innovating business, the innovating business does better (so there is incentive to do so); once all businesses have caught up (or gone bust and been replaced by ones that do keep up) then the sum total of all that benefit goes to landowners (lions); so this sets the new bar and then businesses (giraffes) innovate again.

Onus Probandy said...

I obviously need to become a land lord.

From a purely selfish point of view, isn't being a land lord of successful tenants therefore the easiest job in the world? I would get the benefit of all their hard work. It's hardly fair, but I didn't make the rules.

What I'm now asking, in a roundabout way, is why doesn't everyone strive to become a land lord... and then do nothing, and stagnate?

Mark Wadsworth said...

OP, yes, all the giraffes want to be a lion.

But if a herd of 100 giraffes can sustain a pride of 10 lions and half the giraffes become lions, then 55 out of the 60 lions die of starvation or revert to eating grass in desperation.

This is why the Labour govt model, where everybody works for the state directly or indirectly, or is a Home-Owner-ist (banks, landlords, homeowner living on mortgage equity withdrawal) collapsed.

But in the grander scheme of things, even with an equilibrium balance of giraffes/lions, the 'economy' (i.e. the amount of grass converted to meat) as a whole does worse. If all the lions died out then the population of giraffes would double (or something).

Onus Probandy said...

As bizarre as all that reads: it's an excellent explanation of the collapse.

Strangely, it's not a million miles off the hawks and doves example in one of the Dawkins classics (Selfish Gene or Blind Watchmaker, I can't quite remember now, they blur into one book for me).

Economics and evolution: the same.