Monday 29 March 2010

Fun Online Polls: Wealth creation and changing the clocks.

Thanks to everybody who took part in last week's Fun Online Poll: "How do people create wealth?", the results were as follows:

By working hard, starting a business and or investing wisely - 83%
By owning their homes or other land and property - 9%
Other, please specify - 8%


Which must be the 'correct' answer. Why did I ask such a dumb-ass question, you will be wondering...

The oft-repeated mantra is that "The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing."

Now, it is quite true that an individual can become wealthy by owning land and buildings, but as rental values and land values are, broadly speaking a function of overall disposable incomes in the economy, the profits only arise because of the wealth-creation efforts of others; the same applies to people who own nothing more than their own home, if you see exclusive occupation of land as a form of 'consumption' (but a special form of consumption where there is no identifiable 'producer').

So that mantra deliberately misses the point. What we should be asking is why are we taxing the goose (hard work, entrepreneurship, wise investments) in the first place, remembering that £1 raised in taxes on output or income reduces the size of the economy by another 50 pence? Why aren't we taxing the 'golden eggs' (rental values, land values etc), which will increase over time whether they are taxed or not?
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On a lighter (or indeed darker) note, and while it's still fresh in everybody's minds, I wonder how many people are up for scrapping the EU-mandated system whereby we have to alternate between Greenwich Mean Time and British Summer Time, and would like us to experiment for a year or two with sticking to GMT or BST throughout the whole year, and if so which?

Vote here or use the widget in the sidebar.

8 comments:

Nick39 said...

Can you email me the list of names for the 9% who think home ownership created wealth.

I have some snake oil for sale. Special one-off 50% discount for the next week only.

I thin kthese guys would be interested.

caspermy said...

Hi Mark,

Home ownership does not create wealth, but it does expropriate wealth from others especially when the land/house market is controlled by a sort of cartel.

I did a calculation on some of the prime estate and realised that between 1950-2010, the prices go up by between 1.2x - 2.0x GDP growth, i.e. the property is worth 2x as a % of the GDP then it was in the 1950. Some property give as high as a real (ex-inflation) return of 8-9% pa. Assuming it takes 2.5% of the price to maintain it, the place still delivers good profit.

Chris Gilmour said...

I fear that extending British Summer Time might adversely affect global warming

Mark Wadsworth said...

K, the poll is anonymous, but perhaps they'll respond to your comment?

C, indeedy. The bitter irony being that home-owners and income tax payers are more or less the same people, they don't realise that they lose more on the tax 'swing' than they gain on the home-ownership 'roundabout.

MIK, you mean make it warmer or cooler?

Curmudgeon said...

Isn't the most likely alternative option putting the clocks forward by an hour from the current position all year round, to bring us into line with France, Germany etc? That isn't in your poll.

Mark Wadsworth said...

C, that's the BST+1/GMT+1 option. I missed that one off, sorry.

bayard said...

Curmudgeon, it's well within the capabilities of the mighty EU superstate to change the clocks for everyone, so why don't they put the rest of the EU back onto GMT/GMT+1 like it was before Hitler forced them on to Berlin time. Do they really want to continue such a memento of Nazi rule?

Falco said...

""The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing.""

I prefer this gem shamelessly stolen from Mr. Pratchett:

"Taxation, gentlemen, is very much like dairy farming. The task is to extract the maximum amount of milk with the minimum of moo."