Tuesday, 12 March 2019

France not entirely daft - shock

from Ecommerce News Europe:

The French Minister of Finance told newspaper Le Parisien that the proposed tax is aimed at companies with worldwide digital revenue of at least 750 million euros and a French revenue of more than 25 million euros.

He wants to target commission-based online platforms, like Amazon or Booking.com. Companies that sell their products on their own websites, like French ecommerce company Darty, wouldn’t be targeted.


Good start - the point about these platform/intermediary companies is that their value is in network effects aka rent, and rent is the main thing that governments should be taxing. You have to be able to distinguish it from true earnings, which is why companies like Darty are exempted. People only use Facebook, Twitter etc because everybody else does.

In total, there are about 30 companies that would be affected if the tax plan gets greenlighted. These companies are mostly American, but also German, Spanish and British, as well as one French company (Criteo) and several companies that are originally from France but have been bought by foreign players.

According to Le Maire, a taxation system for the 21st century has to be built on what has value today. “And that’s data”, he said. The minister also added it’s a matter of fiscal justice, with these companies paying some 14 percentage points less tax than small- and medium sized enterprises in Europe.


He misses two points. It's not so much control and ownership of "data" in itself that indicates a rentier status (some companies store lots of their own data, and good luck to them, that's not rent, that's good record-keeping), it's "other people's data" aka network effect etc. And how much tax other companies pay is irrelevant, if they are earned profits in a competitive market, then they should be taxed at lower rates (or not at all). But never mind.

9 comments:

Shiney said...

@MW

Faceberk and Twatter.... OK but not sure about Amazon - they sell goods and invest in stock, warehouses. and employ people.

I do, though, detect a whiff of Anti-Americanism/protectionism - if they were French owned (with the one exception, I see) this wouldn't be happening 'cos all the execs would've been to the same Grande Ecole as Le Maire and would be schmoozing and buying him lunch.

Oh, wait.... that happens here as well.

Tim Almond said...

I tend to agree with Shiney. Not sure there's much of a network effect with Amazon. Not that I'm even that bothered about Facebook or Twitter because the networks aren't unique (like say, a football club having to join the FA). You can join Facebook and half a dozen other social networks.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Sh and TS, I agree that it is not so clear cut with Amazon.

Lola said...

Amazon doesn't really have user 'rents'. It does have a large share of the market. But there are competitors, ebay, Banggood etc, and I think more will spring up. Often I'll search Amazon and then go direct to the vendor (you can usually figure out where and who they are).

As to Facepage and Twitter I don;t really see what 'rent' they are getting?

Lola said...

..and I need to add that none of these outfits will pay any of this tax. It will all end up on customers, workers or shareholders - mostly on customers in my view.
This is just the French being jingoistic.

Mark Wadsworth said...

L, Facebook and Twitter earn money from advertisers. The space around the posts is rented out. It only has rental value because so many people use the site. The tax will not be borne by advertisers, they are already paying the most they are willing to pay.

Lola said...

MW This is very interesting. Is Facebook's page 'land'? Is it a 'monopoly'. Are we going to define such 'cber-land' as 'land'? Surely the cyber-land is the interweb itself? And Facepage already 'pay' to access that. Or do they?

Mark Wadsworth said...

L, in economic terms it is land.

I explained here.

Curtis said...

I initially read the first line as "The French Minister of France".