Friday, 1 January 2016

Fun with conspiracy theorists

Instead of making themselves as inconspicuous as possible, the nutters (who overlap with Faux Libertarians to some degree) are making it easy for the Illuminati (or whichever shadowy organisation is ruling the world this week) to identify them by attaching these notices to their front doors:

What baffles is the notion that if a 'government agent' enters the premises, he has to pay a 'fine' of £100,000. The nutters also believe that the Illumaniti run the legal system as well, so surely they also believe that no court would ever enforce the 'fine'.

14 comments:

Sackerson said...

It's part of a centuries-old British resistance to tyrannical Continental-style gendarmerie. Peel was most careful to allay those fears in 1829 and it took a further 30 years before detectives were permitted. The City of London never did, never has, let itself be subject to the Metropolitan Police. Concidentally I've just read this and you too might find it of interest:

http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5222&context=jclc

Also noteworthy is the original emphasis on crime prevention rather than the modern useless post-event Flying Squad and tea-and-sympathy approach.

Frank said...

"The nutters also believe that the Illumaniti run the legal system as well, so surely they also believe that no court would ever enforce the 'fine'."

That'll be that there "logic" you're using ain't it. We don't have much call for it round here.

;-)

Rich Tee said...

Isn't that intended for TV Licence Inspectors? I prefer the Piss Off and Don't Come Back method myself.

Lola said...

RT. Yes. That's what I think it's for. TVL 'inspectors' are employees of Capita (I think) and there is quite a lot of doubt over their actual powers of entry, or so I have been led to believe.

Mark Wadsworth said...

S, no it's not. That's Faux History. The phrase "an Englishman's home is his castle" was invented by large landowners to make it look as is everybody was getting a fair deal.

F, exactly.

RT, L, in real life, I've met a few people without TVs (itself a sign of nutterdom) but none of them has told me that they get grief for non-payment of licence.

Sackerson said...

Mark, read the paper. We did have traditions of liberty, even though some moderns over-romanticise it. We've been losing them for quite some time - Stilgoe sang about it in the 70s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeiL4M81Q9Q

Mark Wadsworth said...

S, I did read the first few pages and it appears to be a fair summary of events.

But nonetheless, these Faux Libs do ham it up terribly. What if I steal something off him and store it in my house. Would they then just shrug their shoulders and say "Fair enough, Wadsworth's home is his castle and the police shouldn't be allowed in to recover the stolen goods"?

I would hope not, but if they are being logically consistent that is what they would have to say.

Steven_L said...

The nutters all seem to get their news from RT these days, which makes me wonder whether a lot of the conspiracy theory / disobedience is being encouraged by foreigners.

For a start, whenever there is a terrorist attack, have you noticed how quickly high quality conspiracy documentries appear on youtube. Are we really supposed to believe these are produced by the sort of nutters that put these notices on their doors?

mombers said...

I'm amazed that the 'fine' is not in oz of gold instead of fiat currency...

pen seive said...

Some years ago, came across a similar notice put up by some squatters in my late Gran's empty house (the bastards got in during the funeral). Not having the authority, or the law at that time, to kick them out, I got into the property to remove fixtures and fittings, have the utilities turned off and record the condition of the property in case of damage (also ensuring the faces of the squatters were photographed). One of them, an aspiring lawyer presumably, drew my attention to the notice pinned on the door and demanded the amount stated. I gave him a penny, told him that as the sum had been part paid, it became a civil debt and he would have to take legal action to obtain the rest. They left the next day after I had boarded up all the windows and all but one door. I hope they never let that penny affect their lifestyle.

Mark Wadsworth said...

SL, that's a great conspiracy theory in itself!

M, indeed. or in units of magical pixie dust.

PS, good work.

SumoKing said...

A typical mistake Freemen make is to try to apply principles of courtroom law (civil contracts etc) to legal philosophy, i.e. arguments in relation to consent to be governed. For people to be governed subject to the country’s laws, including statute law, does not require their signature on a piece of paper. I completely understand why some people would say: ‘I didn’t consent to this law; why should I be governed by it?’ But consent is not required in relation to each and every individual law. Consent is only required insofar as the government needing general consent to its rule so that it is considered legitimate. If everyone rose up against the government’s rule, it would not be considered legitimate and general consent would essentially be withdrawn. This is not something written down in the books; it is not a matter of black-letter law. This is quite simply the practical reality of our situation.
(pinched from the Libertarian Alliance blog because I knew I'd seen this written a bit more eloquently than my "Yeah, bunch of idiots who think slapping a birth certificate down and calling it the legal fiction of bob is some kind of Perry Mason move that won't piss of the judge and seem them leave the place feeling like they just had an orgy with a herd of elephants)

In case anyone wants to read the whole rant (think there is a youtube too)
https://libertarianalliance.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/freemen-of-the-land-a-barrister-writes/

Mark Wadsworth said...

SK, thanks for excellent link. Recommended reading.

Bayard said...

"in real life, I've met a few people without TVs (itself a sign of nutterdom) but none of them has told me that they get grief for non-payment of licence."

I haven't had a TV for years, after I got fed up with everything I wanted to watch being on when I couldn't watch it. Now with iPlayer etc, you don't need one and yes, I do get hassle from the Licensing Nazis. They used to write to me regularly asking me to confirm that I still didn't have a TV and in the end I stopped responding. I have been on the receiving end of ever more threatening letters, which I have ignored and it's all bluff, not that I'd mind wasting their time by having them send an inspector all the way to West Wales to find out, no, I really don't have a TV.