Monday 2 June 2014

Indian Bicycle Marketing: George Osborne lets the mask slip

From sundaypost.com:

George Osborne appears to have admitted defeat on the Tory pledge to bring annual net immigration below 100,000 by the general election.

The Chancellor said progress had been made on reducing numbers, but suggested Britain's relationship with the EU would need to be renegotiated after May 2015 to deliver David Cameron's promise. He also warned that border controls will be loosened again if Labour returns to government next year...

Official figures showed net migration - the number coming to the UK for at least a year, minus the numbers leaving - rose 58,000 to 212,000 in the year to September 2013...


Righty ho, just for starters, Osborne has sort-of admitted that his party won the last election partly on the strength of them lying about getting net immigration below 100,000, having known full well that it was impossible and a meaningless target anyway: even if a government can control immigration (and they could if they wanted to) it cannot control emigration so it cannot control net immigration unless it runs a daily tab and expels recent immigration immigrants if not enough people emigrate.

And on the facts, annual net immigration has stayed pretty much constant since his lot got into government, the direct comparison with the previous year is misleading.

[Whether or not that is a desirable aim is up to the voting public to decide, and I guess that given the choice, we would vote for it: that is a separate topic.]

Anyway, building up to classic bit of Indian Bicycle Marketing:

Mr Osborne said. "So we have got our policy, we are delivering on the policy, and the key dimension to it which we need to now deliver on is the European aspect.

"That requires renegotiation of our membership of the EU, an in-out referendum so the British people have their say...


A bit like Dave's famous cast-iron guarantee of 2009, eh..?

"If there's a Labour government not only will the economy go to ruin but the borders will be uncontrolled and you won't get that renegotiation in Europe because they're not even pretending that they want to do it."

So he wants us to vote for his lot because they are at least pretending?
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Jackart comments: There has been a big fall in people coming in. There's been a big fall in people going out, which was unexpected. Failure to meet a target, despite measures taken isn't a "lie"; this is one of the most tedious tropes in today's politics.

This post was about Indian Bicycle Marketing, which is a political strategy agreed between the two largest parties, it was not a post about immigration per se.

[It could just as well have been a post about Lib Dems saying that "If you vote for us, we will reduce climate change"].

The Tory "lie" was the notion that they can control net immigration in the first place, as you say yourself, they have little control over immigration and no control over emigration, so the net figure is pretty random. Like the weather.

And you repeat the "cast iron" idiocy, as if you didn't know that promise was made (foolishly) in the context of an anticipated 2008 election pre-ratification.

Yes, I have read the original Sun article and that is what the small print said; but Dave used the words "cast iron" himself, and who's to say that his promised referendum will materialise in 2017? This is, again, couched with lots of vague conditions (i.e. "if I cannot satisfactorily renegotiate etc" leaving himself as judge and jury on whether the renegotiation was "satisfactory".)

Basically you've repeated the entire cannon of UKIP anti-politics stupidity. Are you a 'KIPper?

I joined UKIP in 2007 when there was a still a liberal-libertarian-free market wing to the party; they turned into a caricature of themselves over the years (racist, authoritarian, NIMBY, Home-Onwer-Ist etc) and so I left a couple of years ago and joined YPP. It's only a question of time before UKIP themselves start doing Indian Bicycle Marketing.

5 comments:

A K Haart said...

It's a variant of the liar paradox. George is saying "we are better liars than Labour."

Bayard said...

Surely the net migration figures are fairly irrelevant. People are worried about foreigners coming over here and taking our job/living on the dole so it's the number arriving that counts. They are not worried about people leaving, because, well nobody thinks about emigrants, do they?

Mark Wadsworth said...

AKH, good one.

B, that is true, but remember that all the racists try to pretend it's "about space not race" they don't mind foreigners in the least, oh no, but "England is a crowded island" therefore it is net immigration that matters.

I don't see what's wrong with saying "We don't like Romanian gypsies any more than Romanians do", that's just a fact.

Bayard said...

"therefore it is net immigration that matters"

Also net immigration is a smaller figure and lots of people won't know what "net" means in that context.

Jackart said...

There has been a big fall in people coming in. There's been a big fall in people going out, which was unexpected. Failure to meet a target, despite measures taken isn't a "lie"; this is one of the most tedious tropes in today's politics.

And you repeat the "cast iron" idiocy, as if you didn't know that promise was made (foolishly) in the context of an anticipated 2008 election pre-ratification.

Basically you've repeated the entire cannon of UKIP anti-politics stupidity.

Are you a 'KIPper?