My personal view is that the Mayan apocalypse won't happen, but keep in touch anyway.
The clue bat is that although 21/12/2012 looks vaguely meaningful on the Gregorian calendar (20/12/2012 would have been better), the Mayans didn't use the Gregorian calendar, that wasn't designed until AD 1582.
Also not clear is at what time tomorrow we can all heave a sigh of relief. Do we have to wait until after midnight Central American time or something, that's like six in the bloody morning our time?
Thursday, 20 December 2012
Best of luck for tomorrow, eh?
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A friend told me that the only reason the Mayan calendar ends tomorrow is that it was written so long ago that it didn't need to go beyond 2012 and the Spaniards wiped out their culture before they could update it for the next epoch.
I have a feeling I'm going to wake up Saturday and think 'Damn. It's all still here'.
If it is at 6am that will be a bugger as you may not wake up and miss it all.
A Chilean guy who was into all this told me you're all misinterpreting the prophecy.
Tomorrow is the end of an era, not the world. It is people's attitudes that will change, not the geophysical nature of the planet.
In his words "Hopefully people will stop being such dickheads"
I think he meant that everyone will finally realise that I was right about everything all along.
Its a 5100 odd year cycle. It will keep repeating. Its based on the sun and moon (sometimes planets) and of course solar and lunar eclipses. As usual. Just like Babylon, the Egyptians, The Hebrews, the Romans ignored it, and now the "christians" of today.
That Mayans were in South America only reinforces that all of this is standardised by the sun which is 'universal'. True it may still be nonsense. Just to point out this is the plan. And has been since we started growing food in fields and stopped wandering around gathering.
So the time of day will be on the day of the Solstice (Sun Stands Still as it rises on the morning of the shortest day) which is 11:12 UTC tomorrow, which to all intents is close to GMT, give or take a few nanoseconds. (check your GPS for atomic time)
So if you get to eat lunch tomorrow you can relax.
Scientifically I find this particularly interesting:
"The most notable event slated for that 2012 winter solstice will happen in the sky. For the first time in around 25,800 years, the sun will align with the center of the Milky Way galaxy"
But all this ignores the allegorical meaning of 're-births' and reincarnation, which in all ancient scriptures, across all times and in all places, except for modern 'civilisation' actually refers to the self. YOU.
Death and reincarnation, psychologically, really means a "change of mind" in the individual, and collectively. This is the lesson of the centuries and is what was really hoped for at the birth of all civilisations.
Well I certainly am hoping we do all 'die' tomorrow before lunch. The "Riddle of the Sphinx" finally resolved. Those who follow our cause know the answer already. Will tomorrow bring something more?
CU all at the TERC, 530 GMT, The Brewmaster, Leicester Square.
@Steven_L
PERFECT!
Take any notice of a block of stone several thousands of years old? Pah.
I have a much more recent (and agreed by scientific consensus) calendar on my wall. That ends at midnight on 31 Dec 2012.
So if you were hoping to get away with not buying any Christmas prezzies, you will have 7 days of nagging to endure before it's all over.
"Er, well when we said 2912 we really meant..." it will say on some suspiciously modern-looking stone tablet, discovered laying next to a pyramid on 22/12/12, in Spanish.
I mean 2012. Damn.
Whatever happened to the Age Of Aquarius? I blame the bloody hippies.
Our American friends provide conclusive proof that it's nonsense. Over there the date is 12/20/2012, it's not even a numerical palindrome. So our world will end and theirs will remain intact? Well, who knows.
I am firmly of the opinion that my clogged arteries and susceptibility to pneumonia are going to finish me off somewhat earlier than the date the world will end.
"In his words "Hopefully people will stop being such dickheads""
No chance. One thing the Bible tells us is that human nature never changes.
Bayard
Do you mean the 'human nature' in yourself or just everyone else?
And is that 'human nature' inherently good or bad?
Not disagreeing, but can you tell me where the bible says this? Even if said with metaphor?
The Bible doesn't say it as such, but it is a chronicle stretching back thousands of years and, if you read that chronicle, you can see that human nature was the same thousands of years ago as it is today. The ethical problems that the ten commandments address are still around today.
After reviewing today's Telegraph, Times, Guardian and their comments sections, I can report there has been no change of consciousness.
I repeat NO change of consciousness.
End of the world.
Clip on the news of some Japanese schoolboy reasoning that there's the entire Pacific ocean between South America and Japan and so they probably won't be affected. What's Doh! in Japanese, anyone?
Well I'm still here, and it's after midnight central american time 21/12/12.
Like I said the solstice happened at 11:12 GMT yesterday. Its not a day long thing. Its a moment in time.
Also the apocalypse means a "change of mind" not a change of the physical world.
Its incredible how so few can see this simple idea. Its the same psychology for LVT deniers.
Are you sure that did not happen? Mine already changed a few years ago.
still here, there's slightly more snow than usual, otherwise the same. will pop down to the shops to see if this isn't some kind of "28 days later" experience!
You can relax.
"It" was yesterday at 11:12. If it was anything at all.
What "It" was is a matter one needs to ask oneself about. Don't look outside for it.
Nevertheless, no need to panic any more. Relax. Do not behave like a religious person and spend lots of time trying to deny it happened :)
Kj, I went to the supermarket half an hour ago, it was packed and everybody was buying loads of food and so on.
Is there going to be some apocalypse in a few days' time which will prevent people leaving their homes?
I'm really worried now.
Mark, don't say you're not prepared for the Christmas apocalypse? The shops are going to be shut for TWO WHOLE DAYS! Quick, run out and stock up while there's still something left on the shelves.
B, aha, the penny has dropped.
I was sent to the supermarket yesterday with a very long shopping list, including all manner of unusual items like Brussel sprouts and cranberry sauce.
I assume that these are some sort of natural, herbal remedy which will guard against the side-effects of the Xmas apocalypse?
Don't panic you guys. It all happened at 11:12 yesterday.
Is all over.
Xmas is not based on anything at all though so panic about that true.
RS: "Xmas is not based on anything at all"
???
Xmas is a celebration of itself, it is a collection of instant traditions and customs, everybody picks the bits he likes and so on, and everybody (or most people at least) loves it.
I don't. Bah Humbug!
MW
Never said it wasn't. If you look carefully at what I said:
"Its all made up"
The Maya calendar is definitely based on observed fact - That the sun rises in the same place every year in cycles and these cycles repeat in a certain way every 5136 years. This is unanswerable. The associated apocalypse is not made up either... unless one treats it as if its meaning is something to do with the outside world... as we can see on this post mostly. Trying to make it another xmas type event.
Xmas is a complete fabrication of a religious concept. I'm not judging if you like it or not. I'm just pointing out what can be seen.
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