Here's a prime example of the hysterical "LVT is a tax on gardens" meme, from The Scotsman:
I WONDER who are these Marxists in green clothing who wish to introduce a tax on gardens? The Green Party claims to care for the environment. Gardens are important as consumers of carbon dioxide and producers of oxygen. This is even more essential in urban areas. Apart from that, urban gardens have become a sanctuary for the residues of urban wildlife. What do the Greens wish to create? A sanctuary for developers, a concrete jungle? Are the profits of the building trade more important than clean air?"
Dr Paul Millar, Edinburgh
1. The preceding letter by a Scottish Green Party MSP is an excellent pre-buttal of that, even though the newspaper stymied him by cleverly missing out the £ sign: "the most recent figures for Scotland's land values show that the best arable land is worth around 82p per square yard. By contrast, the average price of urban land with permission for housing development is 179 per square yard."
2. Land/Location Value Tax is a tax on the rental value of land, and not just a blanket tax on "land" as it is wrongly portrayed by the Home-Owner-Ists. By analogy: LVT is a progressive income tax; what the Homeys imagine they are attacking is more like a Poll Tax, and as anybody who knows anything about land values, the value is in the location, location, location. The location and the permitted use is twenty-thousand times as important as anything else (using the MSP's figures).
3. Which leads us on to another interesting observation. If you are looking at house prices in any area, you will notice that flats cost about half as much as houses, which makes sense. Flats are half as big, cost half as much to build and use half as much land. So why is it, if you look at the BBC's figures for the UK, do flats appear to cost more than semi-detached houses?
4. This is because more people want to live in or near 'the centre', so it makes sense to build to a higher density there, i.e. blocks of flats instead of houses. And of course land values are higher where more people want to live; and people use more expensive land more intensively etc. So the average price of flats is pushed up by the fact that most flats are in expensive areas (and the average price of semi-detached houses is depressed for the equal and opposite reason).
5. Let's take the 76 inhabited postcode districts in Birmingham as an example. The graph of prices shows exactly the same shape as they would for the whole of the country, a long flat middle, a sharp drop at the bottom end and a larger upwards curve towards 'the centre': 6. I cross referenced Rightmove and Zoopla's sold prices statistics. Ignoring terraced houses and detached houses, in the ten median districts, 76% of homes are semi-detached houses (average price £157,000) and 24% are flats (average price £98,000). In the ten most expensive districts, only 40% of homes are semi-detached houses (average price £266,000) and 60% are flats (average price £166,000). We observe two things:
- A flat costs 62% as much as a semi-detached house in the median districts and in the expensive districts.
- A flat in 'the centre' costs 6% more than a semi-detached house in a median area.
7. We can express those figures another way using the same small sample: 25% of semi-detached houses are in the most expensive districts and 62% of flats are in the most expensive districts, so if we do a weighted average, we find that the average price of all flats (concentrated in 'the centre') is £141,000, which is 76% of the average price of all semi-detached houses (concentrated at the periphery) of £185,000.
8. 76% is of course a lot more that 62%. So if we look at an even larger area, with a larger range between the cheapest and most expensive areas, the average price of flats will creep up relative to the price of semi-detached houses; and across the UK as a whole, the average price of flats exceeds the average price of semi-detached houses because in the hyper-expensive areas in central London, it's nearly all flats.
9. So, assuming that sold prices are a reasonable guide to LVT bills, it's not a tax on gardens, is it? At present, for a given budget, people have to make a trade off between occupying a small amount of land near the centre or a larger amount of land at the periphery, and this is exactly what dictates land values and hence what would dictate the level of LVT - to put it bluntly, the LVT on a flat in the most expensive parts of Birmingham would be slightly higher than the LVT on a median house. So it is not a tax on gardens, is it?
[I do wonder how the smug and delusional Homey who wrote that letter would set the tax so that his beloved garden stays "green"? If he shifts all the tax from periphery to centre to try and untax gardens, then the centre will become unviable and people will try to move to the periphery, resulting in 'garden grabbing' so he has defeated his own object, hasn't he? If he really wanted to make sure his neighbours' gardens stay ungrabbed and nothing new gets built in his corner of town, he should be demanding that LVT in his area be pushed up beyond the level where it would still make commercial sense to build anything.]
10. Market prices show us people's indifference curves and the value they place on convenience-versus-comfort etc. It's an equilibrium. If the cost were any higher in the centre (or lower at the periphery) then people would leave the centre for the periphery, and vice versa. LVT does not disturb that equilibrium by one scintilla. How could it? All it does is turn privately collected tax into publicly collected tax; and turn notional costs into actual costs.
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"Land/Location Value Tax is a tax on the rental value of land"
It's confusing when it's proposed as a percentage of total value, or, worse still, in pounds per hectare, both of which I recall from this blog. Certainly, if the Scottish Greens were foolish enough to propose a "pounds per hectare" LVT, then it would read like a garden tax, whereas any fule kno that a house on a 0.25 hectare plot is not worth half what the same house on a 0.5 hectare plot. Also, the rental value of land depends almost entirely on its location, whereas the rental value of a house built on that land depends both on the size and the condition of that house.
B, I have suggested lots of ways in which you could do valuations, all of which would lead to much the same outcome.
And I never said "£ per hectare, full stop", because clearly it would be a different "£ per square yard yard rate" for each separate small geographic area.
So clearly, a house would pay (approx) twice as much tax as the flat NEXT DOOR but you cannot generalise and say that "Houses pay twice as much as flats,, full stop".
And % of selling prices does the job just as well, that is not a garden tax" either.
"Gardens are important as consumers of carbon dioxide and producers of oxygen"
They might consume CO2 and produce oxygen, but the idea that they are "important" in doing so is laughable. Maybe 1% of the country, generally cut down by people.
In fact, from a global warming perspective, you would build a lot more, as it would then allow people to be closer to their place of work, and therefore use less fuel.
TS, exactly.
Dr M also plays another card favoured by Homeys and Faux Libs, which is to attack LVT on the basis that introducing LVT means that all planning regulations would be abolished. And he does a few completely off piste false comparison and so on.
"£ per square yard yard rate" for each separate small geographic area."
still gives an LVT on a house on a 0.25 acre plot as half that of the same house on a 0.5 acre plot, when neither the selling value nor the rental value of the 0.5 acre plot is twice the rental value of the o.25 acre plot.
B, yes indeedy, the "£ per square yard" assumes that planning rules are simplified so that everybody can build to the same density in each valuation area. So if Mr 0.5 acre prefers having a very big garden to having two houses with OK sized gardens, that's his decision.
And by and large, however we calculate it (which just does not matter), the tax on a semi-detached in the suburbs of Birmingham will be less than the tax on a flat in 'the centre'. So tell me, how is it a "tax on gardens" when it isn't.
"Dr M also plays another card favoured by Homeys and Faux Libs, which is to attack LVT on the basis that introducing LVT means that all planning regulations would be abolished."
"B, yes indeedy, the "£ per square yard" assumes that planning rules are simplified so that everybody can build to the same density in each valuation area."
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"Dr M also plays another card favoured by Homeys and Faux Libs, which is to attack LVT on the basis that introducing LVT means that all planning regulations would be abolished."
Ah yes, that old homey strawman, despite the fact that you won't find someone who thinks that someone should be able to build a block of flats blocking out the neigbour's light.
B, the only rule for LVT is that it is "a tax on the site only rental value of each individual site assuming optimum permitted use".
So if it were the case that we freeze existing planning laws in aspic, fixed for all time, then yes, house on big garden would only pay slightly more than house on small garden next door, because people are only prepared to pay a few hundred pounds or a couple of thousand more to have a big garden rather than a normal sized one. This tells us that big gardens are, economically speaking, an inefficient use of land.
But if planning laws were changed so that in the area you are talking about, the rule is "you are allowed to build one house for each 0.25 acres" then the 0.5 acre plot is worth twice as much as the 0.25 acre one, because the optimum permitted use is two houses not just one. The fact that the permitted house does not exist is his problem.
And of course the "£x per square yard" assumes that the x is different in different areas, it's £20 in yer median run on rhe mill residential area and £200 in 'the centre' and so on.
TS, the NIMBYs want the best of both worlds. If they accepted that resi gardens are better for the environment and biodiversity than any other land use (probably true) then they should be arguing for more houses with big gardens to be built. But they are not, they are arguing for a complete freeze on new construction.
"And of course the "£x per square yard" assumes that the x is different in different areas,"
OTOH, and I'm sure you've already "done the math", it is just as easy to calculate the plot value from the selling price (house plus plot) and calculate the plot rental value and hence the LVT from that, with the benefit that it is far more accurate than the £/acre method, and requires no assumptions about planning permission etc.
This is a bit off-topic but I think it might interest the Land-taxers (if not the killer-cow fans). Australian heterodox economist, Steve Keen, gave a talk to the LSE earlier this year. It's being broadcast on Analysis at 8:30pm on Monday on Radio 4. If you're interested in how banking works, the failings of neoclassical economics, etc. it should be right up your street.
B, there are lots of different numbers we can use for the tax base, I'm not too bothered which, what you just suggested would work just fine.
1. What many people overlook (as the IFS pointed out), it does not matter what % tax rate is applied to the rental value, and therefore it can be a different % rate for each plot.
So if the rental values are actually £7k for Plot A and £9k for Plot B, if the tax is £6k on each plot, it would still work fine, that's just 86% tax on Plot A and 67% tax on Plot B. Having exactly the same rate on each would be 'nicer' but not entirely necessary.
2. Even if you calculate the tax on the basis of the buildings, the tax will always fall on the location value before it affects the buildings. So even Council Tax acts like LVT, even if it is not calculated as such.
3. If the tax rate goes slightly above 100% of plot rental value, that does not matter too much in the short term, it just discourages new construction, but houses are still worth buying and selling.
We can see all this in action with Business Rates.
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