Tuesday 6 March 2012

Killer Arguments Against LVT, Not (199)

For our pre-bicentennial episode, let's have a look at the propaganda being pumped out by The Spectator (emailed to me by Shineymart).

They go for four tried and tested, well worn to the point of being threadbare KLN's:

In reality, there are three main reasons why a mansion tax is unwarranted and potentially counter-productive, which I discuss in more detail in a Centre for Policy Studies report released today.

1. It would unfairly penalise the income poor, equity rich.(1) Arguments that such individuals are few and far between are flawed: our analysis shows that 31 per cent of London properties worth over £2 million have been in the same ownership for over 10 years,(2) 15 per cent over 20 years. Over those periods, house prices in the prime London markets have risen by 89 per cent and 426 per cent respectively.(3) There are plenty of long-term owners sitting on an asset that has appreciated in value beyond their wildest expectations, yet who would struggle to pay an annual levy.(4)

2. These houses are already heavily taxed.(5) Contrary to the political soundbites, top-end property already makes a disproportionate contribution to the overall tax take, through stamp duty and inheritance tax in particular. Sales of properties worth over £1m accounted for 1.6 per cent of all residential transactions in 2010, yet contributed 26 per cent of the resulting stamp duty. Similarly, the top 0.7 per cent of housing stock held at death contributes to 36 per cent of inheritance tax receipts from property.(6)

3. It would deter international investors. An additional annual levy risks becoming a deterrent to international entrepreneurs and investors already targeted by the non-dom levy, which itself will soon increase from £30,000 to £50,000 for some.(7)

On top of this, the administration of a ‘mansion tax’ could be a nightmare given the difficulty in accurately valuing property at the rarefied top end of the market. There is plenty of room for dispute, which would be both time-consuming and costly to administer and resolve.(8)


1) Poor Widow Bogey, yawn. Why not mention orphans, disabled, charity workers, decorated war heroes and nurses?

2) In other words, 70% of them were bought by their current occupants in the last ten years? He wants to exempt these 70% of people, who by definition can easily afford the tax, to protect the Poor Widows & Orphans? Can't we just exempt the Poor Widows & Orphans and collect the tax from those who can easily afford it?

3) By their own admission, these Poor Widows & Orphans have made capital gains of (at least) £942,000 over the last ten years and £1,620,000 over the last twenty years. Quite how said Poor Widows & Orphans rustled up the £1,058,000 to buy a mansion ten years ago (which is now worth £2 million) was unclear at the time of going to press.

4) Trade down, bank your winnings, avoid the tax. The same logic applies to Poor Widows & Orphans who've hit the land price jackpot as applies to Poor Widows & Orphans on Housing Benefit, who are now expected (quite rightly) to move to cheaper areas without a penny in compensation.

5) No they're not, they are heavily subsidised, or else why did their value rocket like this? How much income tax & NIC would you have had to pay to build up net savings of £942,000 or £1,620,000? That's what we call "heavily taxed".

6) 26% of annual SDLT receipts is about £2 billion, and 36% of annual Inheritance tax receipts is less than £1 billion, so between them, the taxes are as much as the TV licence fee.

7) No it won't, these "international investors" are not going to care less about a few thousand quid Mansion Tax every year, it will still be a lot less than on a comparable mansion in the USA or France. We know this for a fact because so many of them are happy to pay the £30,000 non-dom levy (a bad tax in itself, but it illustrates the point).

8) Lies, outright lies. Especially if we value these homes on pure land value alone, we know fairly accurately what residential land costs in the expensive parts of London; so if it costs £50 million an acre in Chelsea and there are twenty flats on a one-acre plot, the land value is £2.5 million per flat.

15 comments:

JohnM said...

Off Topic: Not near a scanner for a few days, but there is an article in the Times today by Rachel Sylvestor which talks about land/property tax. She contrasts "Economist" type Conservatives with "Country Life" type Conservatives. {I guess she's not referring to Roxy Music.}

Mark Wadsworth said...

JM, thanks, but sod The Times. There's a far more interesting analysis of that article in The Guardian.

Bayard said...

Instead of trotting out all these KLNs, the writer could have pointed out that the mansion tax is a crap idea, as it has an arbitrary cut-off point. As you have pointed out, a much better idea would be to have council tax bands going all the way to Z. This, however, is a political non-starter as, ever since the Poll Tax, central government has been reducing local taxes in favour of a central government grant to LAs, so as to give themselves more control over the LAs they don't like.

Graeme said...

don't ignore the Bakewell tart:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/9123806/After-40-years-why-should-I-be-forced-to-sell-my-property.html

Mark Wadsworth said...

B, sure, but the Homey elite is as passionately against higher Council Tax bands as they are against Mansion Tax.

Graeme, nice one! The caption under the picture reads:

"Home comfort: a break with 40-odd years of memories would involve extra cost, inconvenience and heartache"

Nowadays we have memory sticks and CD's for storing stuff on; before that we used photograph albums or diaries.

But before that, people somehow stored memories in the houses themselves, and they can only access these memories by being in close physical contact with the house (a bit like wi-fi).

This is why, if you take old people to the doctor, the doctor diagnoses them as having memory loss - if the doctor were to visit them at home, they'd notice that their memories are working perfectly (like moving your lap top back into a wif-fi hot spot, all of a sudden it comes alive again).

Old BE said...

ROFL at that last bit!

I'm increasingly in favour of a combination of new Council Tax bands and additional responsibility for raising funds locally rather than by central grant and a consequent lowering of national taxes.

As you point out, the arguments against rarely stack up and begin to wear extremely thin.

Kj said...

I wonder if people like Mrs. Bakewell is equally interested in denouncing the potential income from selling/renting out, probably not. But such "hardship"-cases where the owners are debt free, isn't a problem, just allow for deferrments, with interest, banked on up to 50 percent of capital value before they have sell up,
and they can enjoy a couple of years in the free, if the presence of all those nasty hedge-fund managers and TV-chefs doesn't scare them off earlier.

I'm planning on breaking out a glass of my favourite Laphroaig for KLN 200!

Mark Wadsworth said...

BE, thanks, that seems like a good plan. Apparently, the UK is the second most centralised tax system in Europe after Malta (hardly surprising as Malta has the population of an average local borough).

Kj, I'm looking for something a bit special for the 200th, please tell me if you spot anything. Either really brain dead and stupid or something really smart-arsey.

The Cowboy Online said...

See, this is the issue I have with your obsessiveness about LVT;

"4) Trade down, bank your winnings, avoid the tax."

You totally ignore;

a. The costs attached to moving.

And, more importantly;

b. The emotional investment, not just capital investment, in to homes.

Note the use of the word home, for most people it isn't an asset item on a spreadsheet, it is where they brought up a family.

You might argue that switching to LVT might be revenue neutral in the long term, but forcing people to move, "to liquidate their assets" to avoid the tax bill, treats this all as a spreadsheet exercise - and we know how much you like those - and ignores the emotional investment and personal side of things.

Anonymous said...

We have to subsidise people's *emotions* now?

I think there's a name for that: Benefit Dependency...

Please, please, please think about what you are saying. You're advocating the continued entirely unnecessary impoverishment of large swathes of the country so that a select few don't get their feelings hurt. What madness is this?

mombers said...

Nicely put, fraggle. Is there seriously any excuse for imposing unemployment on people?

Mark Wadsworth said...

TCO, and people have an emotional attachment to their jobs, but VAT and NIC rises, not to mention bank bail outs and rampant government overspend put people out of work.

Lots of young people on reasonably good wages would love to be able to afford to buy a house to which they can emotionally attach themselves, but the bankers and Home-Owner-ist elite tax them to death and then expect them to pay vastly over the odds for a rabbit hutch.

Do these people's feelings count for nothing?

And how come the Tories are prepared to chuck people out of their subsidised council housing or cap their Housing Benefit, end tenancies for life, even though they have built up "an emotional attachment" to their council house? As it happens, I agree with them completely on this point, but at least I am fair and consistent.

F, M, ta for back up, I just watched Tim Montgomerie (the still small voice of commonsense) on Newsnight versus the chinless wonder Rees-Mogg, the double chinned wonder Allsop, and Paxman (who appears to have a few buy to lets, he was very anti) interspersed with generous lashings of "Poor widows being thrown out in the street" and I'm thinking that a backlash by the 99% has to start sooner or later, these f-ing Homeys have completely overcooked it, the that the only "aspiration" worth having is to own a town house in Chelsea is downright insulting to everybody who works hard, tries to bring their kids up right, pays their mortgage on time etc.

Tim Almond said...

The fact is that the homeys are basically like the old landed aristocracy. Whether left or right, they don't have any time for grubby "commerce", but rather like making money by controlling the supply of housing.

It's funny seeing someone like Joan Bakewell pleading poverty. I'll bet in her current "cash poor" circumstances that she's still in the top few percent of earners in this country. And that's the problem the homeys have in attacking Vince - they can't actually produce a poor widow, because there are probably a handful of poor widows living in expensive houses. Most widows in that situation will have already cashed-in the house and moved somewhere cheaper.

Telegraph comments are funny - claiming it's a leftie plot, while ignoring the fact that the likes of Milton Friedman (pbuh) favoured LVT.

Mark Wadsworth said...

TS, that's how brainwashed we are that it's everybody's dream to live off rental income, without them ever making clear who will pay the rent if nobody goes out to work any more.

It's not just Milton Friedman though, is it? Add Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Enoch Powell, JS Mill, Locke, Winston Churchill and indeed Tim Mongomerie to the list of "unlikely land value taxers".

Bayard said...

"TS, that's how brainwashed we are that it's everybody's dream to live off rental income, without them ever making clear who will pay the rent if nobody goes out to work any more."

Twas ever thus, at least since the industrial revolution. Entrepreneur makes a pile, buys an estate in the country, his eldest son goes to public school, inherits the estate and joins the landed gentry, leaving his younger brother to carry on actually making money, or selling the business to someone else.
It's very clear who will pay the rent - the Great Unwashed. Don't think landed gentrydom is for everyone, you know. No, it's just for the elite. Homeys don't want everyone to be homeys, perish the thought. Like any snobby club, it wants to maintain an exclusivity, so it can look down on the outsiders. And again, 'twas ever thus.