Denis Cooper has summarised something rather complicated. It's still rather long but worth a read, the sting is in the tail:
On March 25th EU leaders agreed on a radical amendment to the EU treaties through European Council Decision 2011/199/EU. Over the past five months the UK media have hardly even mentioned that this treaty change has already been agreed, let alone discussed its potential implications. The nature of the amendment is that of a licence which the 27 EU member states as a whole would grant to a class of EU member states, the (now) 17 EU member states in the eurozone.
The fact that it is considered necessary to change the EU treaties so that henceforth the "The Member States whose currency is the euro may establish a stability mechanism ..." confirms that the stability mechanism they have already established, the European Financial Stability Facility or EFSF lacks any legal base in the present EU treaties.
And bearing in mind that Christine Lagarde, then French Finance Minister and now head of the IMF, described the actions of EU political leaders on May 9th 2010 as "major transgressions" of the present EU treaties, which are "very straightforward - no bailing out", clearly a treaty change to legitimise similar actions in the future must be seen as a major treaty change which should be the subject of significant public debate across the EU, including in the UK. The eurozone states are already proceeding to make use of their new licence, even before it has come into force, through a Treaty establishing the European Stability Mechanism which they signed on July 11th.
While few people in the UK have noticed this development it has attracted the critical attention of the economist and commentator Dr Oliver Marc Hartwich, a German and a former Londoner now resident in Australia. In a Business Spectator article entitled A poisoned chalice of EU power he writes scathingly:
“The ongoing assault on the basic rules of liberal democracy has been the defining feature of the euro crisis. The treaty to establish the new European Stability Mechanism is the best example of this fundamentally undemocratic approach … it may be European but legally it stands outside the EU. This means that the EU can formally keep its commitment to the Lisbon Treaty’s ‘no bail-out clause’ though the ESM will provide just that …
"If the ESM has thus turned parliaments into mere cash machines, will it at least be transparent and accountable? Provisions about legal privileges granted to the ESM suggest otherwise … European governments do not have the slightest interest in a thorough debate about the introduction of the ESM. They cannot risk the public understanding what this ESM treaty really is: an enabling act that undermines budget rights of parliaments; a coup d’état of the continent’s political leadership against their peoples; and the most costly piece of legislation ever put before European lawmakers. It would be crazy to explain to ordinary Europeans what their political leaders have conspired to introduce. And so they don’t."
From a British point of view, it is crucial to understand that because intra-eurozone treaties such as this would be allowed by the EU treaties as amended by Decision 2011/199/EU, but would legally stand outside the EU, it should not be assumed that integrationist measures such as "eurobonds" or a "fiscal union" or a "transfer union" would require any further changes to the EU treaties, provided that such measures were confined to the eurozone and ostensibly at least would not apply to the rest of the EU.
Therefore if anybody is fondly hoping that the need for further EU treaty changes would give the UK government a splendid opportunity to extract concessions and repatriate powers in exchange for its agreement, they would be sorely disappointed. Just as the UK is not a party to this first intra-eurozone treaty so it would not be a party to subsequent intra-eurozone treaties – unless and until the UK joined the euro - and therefore the UK government would have no veto to exercise over changes to those intra-eurozone treaties, and so no leverage for extracting concessions from the EU, even if it was disposed to do so.
All this depends on the eurozone states being granted their licence by the final ratification of the EU treaty amendment embodied in European Council Decision 2011/199/EU, and in the case of the UK that will require parliamentary approval through an Act. Is it too much to ask that our MPs will stop and think hard about the long term implications of giving their approval of that Decision, rather than just nodding it through?
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If the UK is not in the treaty, why would British MPs even be asked?
What business is it of British voters and their representatives if 17 other countries sign up to a crazy "cout d'etat by treaty"?
ps The German constitution will not allow ratification of the treaty.
Blue Eyes -
1. British MPs have to be asked about European Council Decision 2011/199/EU because it's an amendment to the EU treaties, which can only enter into force after being ratified by all EU member states.
Thereafter, once the eurozone states had been granted their licence through that EU treaty amendment, British MPs would not be asked about the intra-eurozone treaties whatever measures they might contain.
2. There's quite a lot of history to suggest that it's not in British interests to stand idly by and allow the rise and consolidation of anti-democratic empires in the rest of Europe.
Bear in mind here that out of the 27 present EU member states 17 are already in the eurozone, while 8 more are under a legal obligation to eventually join it by virtue of their EU accession treaties, and the same condition is imposed all new EU member states, and there is no provision for a country to leave the euro once it has joined, and maybe you can see where this is heading.
3. Having read some Irish commentary about this issue - basically, that it's not even worth challenging the Irish government's decision not to hold a referendum on either Decision 2011/199/EU or the ESM treaty, because even in the event of "no" votes they'd be forced to vote again until they said "yes" - I'd say that if the UK Parliament blocked the Decision then that would be doing a huge favour to a lot of ordinary people across the EU.
I'm not sure that those 17-25 countries would appreciate us interfering in their own constitutional processes. Seriously, we are now supposed to be the guardians of Irish liberty? Don't make me laugh.
BE, nobody says that other countries can't conclude as many treaties as they like, with or without us (that's what national sovereignty is about).
The point is that the EU Treaty is being used as a battering ram/Trojan Horse to do so, and if the UK can throw some sand in the wheels* then it's all good.
* Terrible mixed metaphor, I admit.
Agreed, but it is no business of ours to throw sand in other people's treaty-agreeing process.
It's not as if the countries that signed up to the Euro didn't know this would happen.
Over the past five months the UK media have hardly even mentioned that this treaty change has already been agreed, let alone discussed its potential implications.
Ian and I posted on this and what was happening this autumn - zero response. Deathly silence. People just don't want to know.
Blue Eyes -
Even under the simplified treaty revision procedure being used here, Article 48(6) TEU, it remains the case that a Decision amending the EU treaty can't come into force unless and until it has been approved by all EU member states "in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements"; under the European Union Act 2011 one of our own constitutional requirements is now that any such Decision must be approved by an Act of Parliament before the UK can finally ratify it; however MPs are under no obligation whatsoever to vote for that Bill, and if they block it they are in no way interfering with the constitutional processes in any of the other 26 EU member states.
No doubt some politicians in some of those other countries would be annoyed if the UK Parliament refused to approve the treaty amendment, just as they were annoyed when the French and Dutch peoples voted against the EU Constitution and then annoyed again when the Irish people voted against its successor, the Lisbon Treaty; on the other hand many of the ordinary citizens of those countries, and even some of their politicians, would be quietly relieved if it was blocked.
I see here:
http://spectator.sme.sk/articles/view/43673/10/decision_on_second_greece_bailout_due_in_one_month.html
"OKS is proposing that the Slovak Parliament not hold a vote on changes to the Lisbon Treaty, which are a pre-condition for extension of the temporary EFSF and the establishment of its permanent replacement, the European Stability Mechanism (ESM), until the EU adopts a rational and effective long-term scheme that will prevent fiscal and debt crises."
As far as the Irish are concerned, if our Parliament is friendly enough towards the Irish to lend them money, then it should also be friendly enough to save them from the imposition of this EU treaty amendment.
"It's not as if the countries that signed up to the Euro didn't know this would happen."
How do you make that out? They all signed up under the present treaty terms, including the "no bail-out" clauses which were deliberately inserted into the original Maastricht Treaty.
"Is it too much to ask that our MPs will stop and think hard about the long term implications of giving their approval of that Decision, rather than just nodding it through?"
Yes.
ps Mark, sand in the wheels is a good thing; ask anyone who has ever driven a steam train.
James Higham -
Basically we have three main political parties trying to pretend that it never happened, any EU treaty changes would be something for the future and they know nothing about any treaty amendment which has already been agreed and it doesn't exist, and so far the mass media have been going along with that pretence.
Which was always the intention - this is from October 2010:
http://euobserver.com/18/31154
"Initially horrified at the Franco-German demand for a wholesale re-writing of the EU rulebook only a year after the Lisbon Treaty had been approved, the other EU leaders are now warming to the idea of a "limited" tweaking of the treaty in a way that they hope will avoid major political fall-out."
"... Herman Van Rompuy is to be tasked with exploring whether such a limited change can be done via a simplified revision procedure, in which EU leaders can make the change without having to call a full Intergovernmental Conference (IGC) - involving negotiations between the governments, consultations with the European Parliament and the participation of the European Commission, which could open a Pandora's Box of other new proposals.
Mr Van Rompuy would also explore whether legally this can be done without the tweak having to be presented to national parliaments for approval ... or even further, whether such a move would provoke referendums in some countries ..."
Note the preference to completely exclude the national parliaments from the process.
Denis Cooper, the point is why should the UK parliament wish to stop the Eurozone countries from doing something they want to do?
I am no EU-phile but in this case the self-determination thing is for the Eurozone countries not for us.
Blue Eyes -
Firstly and above all else, because it is deeply inimical to the UK's long term national interests, which should be the paramount concern for our Parliament.
Secondly, because there are strong arguments that it is also not in the interests of the peoples of those countries, as explained in the Hartwich article.
Thirdly, because while political leaders in those countries may want to do it (or in the case of smaller countries, may be bullied into doing it) we don't know whether their peoples want to do it, because they're deliberately not being told about it and won't be asked about it.
If the EU treaty change agreed on March 25th had been accompanied by other changes, so that -
1. Any country which had joined the euro could choose to make an orderly withdrawal;
2. EU member states not yet in the euro were relieved of the treaty obligation to eventually join it;
3. New EU member states would not be put under that legal obligation as a condition for their accession to the EU;
and preferably
4. The UK's "opt-out" protocol was strengthened so that the UK would not be allowed to join the euro without a referendum;
then that would be a different matter.
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