Sunday, 7 August 2011

Daily Mash or Daily Express?

Can you guess without looking?

A SENIOR aide to David Cameron says the Prime Minister has ruled out a referendum on EU membership because Britain delivered a “very clear result” on the issue 36 years ago.

Laurence Mann, Mr Cameron’s political private secretary, said the British people did not want another in or out vote because it would be “artificial and simplistic”. Instead, he said Britons should be grateful for the EU’s “useful work” on global warming and global poverty. Writing on behalf of the PM, he said: “These are compelling arguments why we believe Britain should be an active member.”

Mr Mann, who is part of Mr Cameron’s inner circle, said there were “strong counter arguments” against the vote, adding: “We had a referendum on that issue in 1975, which produced a very clear result. The EU is not a matter of everything or nothing. We have, in the past, done well in ensuring that Britain can participate in the collective good carried out by the EU, such as free markets, while keeping out of things that we believe would be bad for our country.

"We should not lose sight of the EU’s very useful work, such as ensuring that all the nations of Europe are equipped to face the biggest challenges of the 21st Century: global competitiveness, global warming and global poverty. These are compelling arguments for why we believe Britain should be an active member. A simplistic in/out referendum, posing an artificial choice that does not do justice to the range of views in the country, would be highly unlikely to settle the question of Britain’s membership of the EU at all.”

13 comments:

Curmudgeon said...

Oh, I think an "out" vote, if acted on, would settle the issue once and for all. A narrow "in" vote wouldn't, of course.

Tim Almond said...

Good. The last thing I want is a vote right now. The politicians would mount a successful propaganda campaign and convince the public to remain. It has to fall a lot further, so we have to just keep on convincing the public.

And mentioning the environment and foreign aid is good. Two issues where the public is far out of line with the politicians (I'd rather pay for mercenaries to sort out African leaders than send money to Africa).

Mark Wadsworth said...

C, agreed.

JT, that's the eternal dilemma. The pol's would only allow a referendum if they knew they could secure an "In" vote. I think that if there were a snap in-out referendum tomorrow, there would be a slim majority for 'Out" (let's say 55-to-45 in favour of "Out").

But going by the AV referendum, it appears that the pol's can get any old result they want provided they condition the populace first (which takes a couple of months). So if a referendum were announced today, to be held in six months' time, I'd expect that the result would be an "In".

Conversely, if the "Outs" had an unassailable lead (let's say 75% in favour of "Out"), the pol's simply wouldn't hold a referendum at all. Lose-lose.

Sean said...

creative destruction. All we have to do is encourage fiscal union and watch the tensions build.

dearieme said...

'the British people did not want another in or out vote because it would be “artificial and simplistic”': cying lunt.

View from the Solent said...

The man is a liar.
There was no referendum on EU membership 36 years ago. The EU did not exist then. There was a referendum on membership of the Common Market (EEC). And all the usual suspects lined up to tell us that it was, and never would be more than, only a free trade association.
I may be old, but I'm not senile; I remember it clearly.

Lola said...

VFTS - Exactly. Me too.

A K Haart said...

VFTS and Lola. Yes - I remember it too, there was no EU and therefore no EU vote. We are being lied to yet again.

James Higham said...

A SENIOR aide to David Cameron says the Prime Minister has ruled out a referendum on EU membership because Britain delivered a “very clear result” on the issue 36 years ago.

Dearieme put it well and not in a pusillanimous or fearty way.

Barman said...

I wonder what percentage of the population were ineligible to vote 36 years ago...?

I remember the campaign but was only 16 at the time...

Anonymous said...

Mark... how can you be so right about LVT and the EU and so wrong about AV?

Mark Wadsworth said...

Anon, out of interest, what would be your preferred voting system?

I never said AV was my favourite (multi-member constituencies is, with one-man-one-vote). What I do think is that AV would be better than FPTP.

Jer said...

Breathtaking!

Well, now we will see if the epetition website is actually worth anything.