From here:
Wie unterscheidet sich schaffendes Staats- und raffendes Borsenkapital?
Das Staatskapital ist ein unmittelbar schaffendes, produktives Kapital. Es ist in seiner reinen Form, vor allem in der Kleinindustrie, noch national und erdverbunden, es arbeitet und vermittelt Arbeit, es besteht zu seinem groBten Teile in immobilen Werten und nicht in barem Gelde, es darf und kann nicht vernichtet werden, da es fur das Leben des Volkes unentbehrlich ist. Allerdings hat es sich in den letzten Jahrzehnten zu so ungesunden Formen entwickelt, daB es einer durchgreifenden Reform bedarf.
Das Borsenkapital ist kein schaffendes, sondern ein schmarotzerisch-raffendes Kapital. Es ist nicht mehr erdverbunden, sondern bodenlos und international, es arbeitet nicht produktiv, es hat sich in den normalen Verlauf der Produktion hineingedrangt, um aus ihr Prozente zu ziehen. Es besteht in mobilen Werten, das heiBt in barem Gelde, sein Haupttrager ist die jüdische Hochfinanz, die das Bestreben hat, die schaffenden Völker fur sich arbeiten zu lassen und dabei doch die Erträgnisse der Arbeit in die eigene Tasche zu stecken.
Roughly translated:
What is the difference between productive state capital and parasitic financial capital?
State capital is directly productive capital. In its purest form, especially with small businesses, it is still national and earthbound, it works and creates work, it is fixed and not just in cash, it may not and cannot be destroyed, because it is vital for the life of the nation. Admittedly, it has developed in an unhealthy way in recent decades and needs a wholesale reform.
Financial capital is not productive, it is parasitic. It is not earthbound, but stateless and international, it produces nothing but has forced itself on normal production in order to suck out a percentage. It is mobile, in other words in cash and is owned by Jewish high finance, whose aim it is to let the productive peoples do the work but keep the profits for itself.
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1. I can understand that the Germans were a bit miffed about the aftermath of the Great Depression, that seems to have hit them three times as hard as any other country (and probably wasn't particularly their fault), but that polemic is familiar to me and it always struck me is that he is confusing the distinct concepts of capital and ownership.
2. Let's agree for the sake of this discussion that 'capital' is stuff like machinery and special skills (i.e. stuff that results from people's efforts and ingenuity) which can be used to increase output in future. But everything has to belong to somebody (even if some things belong to a vaguely defined group of people like 'the nation' or 'society in general' or 'the state'), and that entails 'ownership'. If you're slaving away at your machine or your desk or wherever, you're not really bothered whose machine or desk it is, you just want to be paid a decent wage.
3. So if the Evil Capitalist who owns the bakery on one side of the street pays low wages, people will just go and work for the slightly more enlightened baker on the other side who pays better wages; so the Evil Capitalist goes out of business and ends up getting bought out by another baker-entrepreneur and that is the end of that. And maybe that baker-entrepreneur starts up his business with borrowed money, so in economic terms, the physical capital belongs to the bank. His workers still don't care as long as they get a decent wage, and the banker-entrepreneur is doing it entirely of his own volition.
4. But it is more or less impossible for Evil Bankers to buy up all the physical capital, underpay wages and overcharge for their output because this will always be competed away, because people can always make new stuff, change jobs etc.
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5. Returning to the present day, all this bank-bashing reminds me very much of Dr Goebbels' rant, and I think to myself, this is one path down which I will not go. But the self-same politicians who are at the forefront of bank-bashing are simultaneously merrily bailing out the banks in order to prop up land prices, i.e. transfer money from the productive economy to state-protected quasi-monopolists.
6. Land behaves exactly like a monopoly, if you think about it - it cannot be replicated and the income that you can generate from a bit of land depends on its location, not its physical condition, so cannot be competed away. In most cases, the income you can generate vastly exceeds the cost of 'production', which are precisely £nil in most cases. Interest payments are a just a way of divvying up the returns to 'ownership' and not a cost of 'production' of course, see first half of this post.
7. These bank bail outs (and tax breaks for land ownership or construction) are at their most extreme (i.e. criminal) in the USA or in Ireland, but are the prevalent economic philosophy in the UK as well, which I refer to as Home-Owner-Ism. Rising house prices are a very simple mechanism by which the relative return to working is depressed and the relative return to land- or home ownership (and the banks, who make money from rising land prices) is inflated, so this is hypocrisy of the highest ordure.
8. But like all forms of oppression, the trick is getting a simple majority of The Little People into thinking that they benefit from it as well - people will take a 2.5% VAT hike or a 2% National Insurance hike (which costs each worker or entrepreneur upwards of £500 a year each) on the chin as long you promise them a Council Tax freeze (which 'saves' each household maybe £50 a year), for example. Similarly, savers will put up with derisory interest rates of less than inflation just as long as the bank pass some of that benefit on to 'hard pressed borrowers', without anybody noticing that this is a £30 billion a year subsidy to banks and home owners.
Ah well.
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13 comments:
As a proponent of bank nationalisation I am vaguely disturbed by accusations that the Nazis nationalised the banks.But the evidence seems to indicate that they privatised the biggies:Deutsche,Commerz and Dresdner, the State having previously owned 70% of the sector.
In fact,Nazi Germany appears to have been the pioneer of privatisation ,something that the privatisers don't give them any credit for.Funnily enough.
The Nazis did a lot of evil things. But they also did a fair bit of ho-hum run of the mill stuff too. In addition to its more objectionable goals, the National Socialist Program included such laudable items as expansion of the old age pension, the abolition of unearned incomes, the abolition of child labour and freedom of religion.
Now I doubt that those who campaign against child labour worry about the fact that it is part of the Nazi manifesto. And I don't see that you need to be disturbed about the nationalisation link either.
DBC, exactly. They said one thing and meant another. But I still think Dr G was confusing 'capital' and 'ownership'.
D, and "abolishment of the land value tax", according to that link. As to child labour, didn't they use children as soldiers at the end of the war?
I think I was trying to make some kind of general point that privatisation does n't necessarily roll back the Stste in the way Tea Party type people and some libertarians assume.It appears the Nazis flogged off the nationalised banks to mates or people they wanted to keep onside and used the profits to build a ruthless war machine.
People confuse the State with government.You can have a totally oppressive state which is practically in a state of nature like Henry George's California but everybody is enslaved by the price of land.Like England where you have to find 100k up front or in instalments over nearly a lifetime for the right of settled residence.It may not have marching bands and soldiers on street corners but it is still an oppressive atate.
DBC, agreed. All oppression is backed by the state/the govenment (and with Home-Owner-Ism, it has widespread popular support).
Whether the government is collected high taxes or the Home-Owner-Ist are collecting LVT privately is neither here nor there, oppression is oppression (and yes, we do have LVT in this country, it is just that it goes to banks and landowners, not to the government).
Fiat Money, by my order, by my decree. let it be done.ect. At the end of the day its a political currency not an economic one.
Politics involves buying as many people off as you can get away with. The currency will somehow reflect that fact in the state of the economy.
The gangsters with briefcases, the lawyers, and the politicos are not going to give up their power toys. Fiat money is the daddy of them all.
What is needed is for the politicos and their money to be held to account, more so than a bond and gilt strike.
Nice bit of research btw, International socialism and national socialism add up to the same bag of shite in the end.
Well as I said, they did some Really Evil Things. ''Abolishment of the land value tax'' may have been one of the lesser evils but it still counts. In any case the manifesto was more of an electioneering tactic than a solid platform. The Wikipedia article points out that Hitler paid no attention to the bits he didn't care about after he was elected. Hence child labour in the concentration camps and child soldiers at the end of the war.
And DBC Reed's comment (about privatisation not necessarily rolling back the State and having oppression by landlords in a small state situation) hits the nail on the head. There's more to liberty than just reducing the size of the State.
I think the LVT should be paid to an Organisation I call "The Crown" (for convenience).
From this all citizens get an equal LVT.
People are then billed an equal amount for the cost of government.
I feel it's actually important to not pay the LVT via the government, as making the cost of government #1 Visible, and #2 equally felt is important.
"The National Socialist Program included such laudable items as … freedom of religion."
Pastors Niemoller and Bonhoeffer, as well as the Rev Dr Barth, beg to differ. I think you just made the mistake of confusing what the Nazis said they would do with what they actually did.
S, I stumbled across this twenty years ago and it's been nagging me ever since, the fact that so many people confuse 'capital' with 'ownership'.
D, "There's more to liberty than just reducing the size of the State." Go over to the Fau Libertarians at Samizdata and try explaining that. They think that landowners, backed by force of state, oppressing people is all tickety-boo; conversely, they think that LVT is theft. Go figure.
AC1, exactly. Seeing as all land technically belongs to The Crown, who could possibly object to this fine scheme?
PW, yup, the Nazis were politicians who talked a good game but didn't understand economics. Like all the others. About the only one thing I like about the Nazis was their right-to-roam policy.
"A £30 billion a year subsidy to banks and home owners."
Actually it's a subsidy to the banks pure and simple. Home owners don't benefit from rising prices unless you count the ability to borrow against an illusory asset as a benefit. Their "gains" are mostly not realised until they die and then go to their heirs - who in turn spend the money on higher house prices.
The only home owners who actually benefit are those who emigrate!
AC, that's probably true.
But the government needs the acquiescence of The Little People, so they have to dress it up as 'helping the hard pressed homeowner'.
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