Cross posted at Nourishing Obscurity.
Just as a thought experiment, let’s imagine that instead of having a political economy based on Home-Owner-Ism, we had one based on Car-Owner-Ism.
Under current rules, in a non Car-Owner-Ist economy, when you buy a car, you pay the manufacturer the agreed price to cover the manufacturing costs and his small profit margin. Over the lifetime of the car, you will spend as much again on insurance from the insurance company; petrol from the petrol company; fuel duties on the petrol to cover the cost of road maintenance, traffic police; AA membership in case it breaks down; repairs at the garage etc. The car depreciates over time, and after twenty or thirty years it has only scrap value.
But if we had Car-Owner-Ism, once you had bought a car, the government would provide your insurance, petrol, AA membership, repairs and so on for ‘free’ and it would guarantee that car prices could only go up. What would flow from this..?
1. Of course the government has no money of its own to pay for the insurance, petrol and repairs, so it would have to increase income tax on labour and enterprise in order to pay for them.
2. Car owners would not want the value of their cars to be competed away, so manufacturers would only be allowed to sell a small number of new cars and never enough to meet demand. Before new cars can be built, there would be public enquiries and appeals procedures to go through.
3. However, manufacturers would not be too unhappy: instead of selling large volumes with a small profit margin, the value of a new car would be bid up to twice what it costs to manufacture (because the selling price would include the embedded value of the free petrol and insurance), and so the manufacturers’ profits would still be maintained.
4. Car NIMBYs would of course claim that they were doing this to protect the environment and to ‘reduce pressure on local services roads’ – while simultaneously clamouring for more roads and car parks to be built.
5. With a government guarantee that ‘car prices can only go up’, the income taxpayer would have to pay ever more money to ensure that even the oldest banger would be repaired to the highest standard and could be re-sold for its original cost. Restrictions on the number of new cars would help this - Trabants in East Germany did not fall in value (until the Wall came down). If ever a car was wrecked or written off, there would be full compensation for the amount you lost.
6. The government would of course not haggle for the best deals with the oil companies, insurance companies or civil engineering companies (it’s not their money), so the amount spent on all these things - invisible to the car owner - would creep up and up, along with the income tax burden, and all these companies would be appointing current and former politicians as company directors and consultants.
7. Younger people who were keen to buy a car, but whose disposable income is being reduced by all the tax they have to pay to fund the running costs of existing car owners, would no longer be able to afford to buy a car outright for cash, so they would be forced to borrow money to acquire one.
8. So the banks would have a fine new source of income, lending young people money to be able to buy a car which only has value because their own income tax is being used to subsidise it. And the banks would also be offering politicians all sorts of well paid directorships, of course.
9. Even though most of the population would be simultaneously taxpayer and car owner, they would see free insurance and petrol as a ‘right’, and politicians would be able to win elections by pointing out that the value of their car had gone up and promising in their manifestos that in future, car owners would receive a 'free' valet service as well.
10. With new and second hand car prices fuelled by borrowing, there would be an inverse relationship between prices and interest rates, so politicians would always be keen to depress interest rates as low as possible, making it even harder for young people to save up a deposit (and making it pointless to save up for your old age) and leading to car price bubbles and credit bubbles. Banks would be issuing and trading in Motor Backed Securities and the bankers would be earning handsome bonuses. Until the car price and credit bubbles pop, after which income tax would be increased yet again to bail out the banks and the whole cycle starts again.
11. Older people who don’t really need the family car any more – but want to retain it for sentimental reason - would be under no pressure to sell it. In fact the longer they hang on to it the better, because car prices ‘can only go up’. They can park it in their garage, knowing that government-paid mechanics will be round twice a year to service and maintain it, so the number of cars on the road would steadily dwindle, making the economy run less and less efficiently and making it harder and harder for young people to get to work.
12. The Baby Boomers would be patting themselves on the back saying what a wise investment decision they’d made - the Ford Anglia which they bought back in the 1960s for £100 is now worth £50,000. And those who didn’t really need their second or third car would be able to rent it out to young people, who would be paying twice over: they’d be paying for the cost of the petrol and roads via their income tax, and they’d be paying for the value of the petrol and roads in the rental charge.
13. Sooner or later, after the tax and debt burden on the productive economy has plunged us into a depression a few times, small government free market liberal economists would point out that it would be far better to reduce income taxes and for car owners to pay for their own running costs. As a result, they say, the economy would grow faster; cars would be allocated more efficiently to those that are prepared to pay for the value and the credit boom/bust cycle would be dampened.
14. The vested interests – banks, politicians, insurance companies, oil companies and so on - would always push out their propaganda decrying these economists as ‘crazy’, as ‘socialists’ or as ‘Utopians, even though the economists could refer to Adam Smith and David Ricardo having warned of exactly the same dangers when governments proposed subsidies to owners of horse drawn carriages.
15. Actual car owners would be trained to respond thusly: "We paid for the value of that petrol when we bought our car! Why should we pay all over again in cash? What are young people complaining about – can’t they just save up and buy a car like we did when we were young? What do they want – do they want hundreds of thousands of new cars to be built every year until the entire countryside is covered in metal? It’s not our fault that car prices keep going up, that’s just the free markets for you. We’ve paid our taxes and now we want what the government promised. These economists are attacking ‘capital’ and the value of our ‘main investment’! If we have to pay for our own running costs, then the price of cars will fall, banks will fail and the economy will nose dive!”
Here endeth.
Not an individual of mental adventure
1 hour ago
26 comments:
Brilliant!A tour de force.
One thing that struck me about the car/house analogy when I was a bit more radical than now was the land under the car aspect.If cars were sold with the full land rent for the road and car parks they occupy included up front ,they would cost at least double,(if you were to take the London Congestion Charge,halve it and multiply by x number of years.) Similarly to houses the car would not depreciate much in value because the value of the pre-paid road rent would be extant.If you sold the aggregated road rent up front and for life if you so choose (like they do for the land under your house),the car may be in bits on your drive but as long as it had a transferable road rent for life disc,it would be worth a fortune.Like houses.
Genius bit of comparison, really enjoyed that. Thank you.
DBC, Anon, thanks. The bitter irony is that total taxes on cars (fuel duty, VAT, licence, parking fines, insurance premium tax etc) are nearly twice as much as Council Tax.
If you think about it, fuel duty is like LVT for roads - the amount raised is about three times the cost of actually building and maintaining roads - you are paying for VALUE and not COST.
For years I have been explaining to prospective house buying clients that they are actually buying a depreciating asset that also costs them money every day, on a piece of land that goes up in price due to home-owner-ism. Inn other words they are not really any better off at all. When they suddenly get it, like the proverbial light bulb going on in their heads, they get annoyed.
But do they actually vote to do anything about it? Nope.
" But if we had Car-Owner-Ism, once you had bought a car, the government would provide your insurance, petrol, AA membership, repairs and so on for ‘free’"
I beg to differ: If cars were like houses, then the road tax would be LVT. Fuel is more analogous to, well fuel (for heating), repairs to repairs and insurance to insurance, all of which the homeowner pays for himself.
To be equivalent to your scenario, homeowners should be enjoying state-provided maintenance, repairs, heating fuel and insurance, which no-one I know does.
"If ever a car was wrecked or written off, there would be full compensation for the amount you lost."
That does not happen with houses.
"They can park it in their garage, knowing that government-paid mechanics will be round twice a year to service and maintain it,"
Likewise with houses you have to pay for plumbers etc.
You missed out on the other part of the analogy. Single mums would be given free Rolls Royces.
L, it is very difficult. People see that their land values are rising, but fail to grasp that this makes their children poorer; that they will have to pay for inevitable bank bail outs out of their income tax; and that this is a purely paper gain anyway.
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B, Anon, do I really have to explain the analogy?
For a start, fuel duty is exactly like LVT. It pays for the VALUE of road usage, which is far in excess of their cash COST. Car licence is just a small flat fee.
And of course the state doesn't directly pay for home repairs etc (did I say that? Nope.) but...
a) The govt. pays for most of the other stuff (schools, hospitals, police, transport infrastructure) which add to property values out of income tax AND
b) When you buy or rent a house you do not pay money to the 'community' which created and maintains the land/location value; you pay it to the previous owner.
So like the young people in the story (but worse), young people who pay for land are paying three times over:
1. It was their efforts which created the value in the first place.
2. They pay for COST of govt. provided services via their income tax.
3. They pay for VALUE of govt. services via their rent or mortgage payments.
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And when did ever say that single mothers should be given Rolls Royces? Nowhere, that's where. Please stop yapping on about single mothers, we've covered that topic.
Anon: ""If ever a car was wrecked or written off, there would be full compensation for the amount you lost."
That does not happen with houses."
Oh yes it bloody well does! When they opened the motorway near our hosue the government sent us a cheque for £15,000 as compensation.
"They can park it in their garage, knowing that government-paid mechanics will be round twice a year to service and maintain it,"
Likewise with houses you have to pay for plumbers etc."
a) The government maintains the value of houses by using our income taxes to prop them up (by spending it on 'local services' and by bailing out banks).
b) The cost of repairs to an average house is tuppence ha'penny in the grander scheme of things - and have you not heard about all these schemes whereby the government will pay for your loft insulation? Where councils pay owners of derelict homes to do them up and get tenants in?
It's an ANALOGY, so you have to use your imagination a bit.
Actually you know, I am doomed.. I love houses AND cars.......
L, I love houses and cars as well. Which is why I would like to have a higher disposable income (no income tax or VAT but a Citizen's Income instead!) to be able to afford more of them (LVT does not increase cost!).
I like it and Point #11 is the most important to me.
The LOLs are a sign of the problems of Home-ownerism.
There would be more old and interesting/querky cars on the road, rather than today's efficient blandmobiles. I think there's an analogy there too - my NIMBYISM starts and stops with the ugliness of most modern housing.
AC1, ta.
Bruce, hang about, this is a warning not an instruction manual. The reason there are so few nice old cars is
a) they were badly built and
b) all this Greenie crapola about having a low emissions car (old cars were shamefully wasteful of petrol, even by my low standards).
PS, if lovely old cars float your boat, you can move to Cuba!
Bruse. Yep, and ugly cars too. Why can't they all just build beautiful cars?
L, it's because of Greenie nonsense, all this drag coefficient and wind tunnel stuff. Basic physics says that their is an optimal shape that minimises fuel use, ergo all cars tend towards this.
And why don't cars have chrome bumpers any more? It's all this built in, expensive to replace plastic-covered crap nowadays.
You can hardly call this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lola_T70_Silverstone_2007.jpg
boring, and yet it has a good aerodynamic shape!
Mind you it puts the willies up the greenies being powered as it is by a nice 5L Chevy V8
"B, Anon, do I really have to explain the analogy?"
No, but I think it was a bit overstated.
"For a start, fuel duty is exactly like LVT. It pays for the VALUE of road usage, which is far in excess of their cash COST. Car licence is just a small flat fee."
Fair enough on fuel duty, but original post said: " But if we had Car-Owner-Ism, once you had bought a car, the government would provide your insurance, petrol, AA membership, repairs and so on for ‘free’"
"And of course the state doesn't directly pay for home repairs etc (did I say that? Nope.)"
You most certainly implied it with your analogy - see extract above.
"a) The govt. pays for most of the other stuff (schools, hospitals, police, transport infrastructure) which add to property values out of income tax "
But using the cars = houses analogy,the govt. pays for most of the other stuff police, roads maintenance, new roads etc which actually allow you to get some use and hence value from your car out of Road Fund Tax and fuel duty.
"Oh yes it bloody well does! When they opened the motorway near our hosue the government sent us a cheque for £15,000 as compensation."
That's closer to some other bugger putting a dent in your car than it being destroyed or written off. If your house is destroyed, it's your insurance company that pays you, not the government.
I think cars are closer already to where we want to be with houses, without your imagined scenario.
B: "I think cars are closer already to where we want to be with houses, without your imagined scenario."
That was my point. It was an analogy not a complete absolute like-for-like translation. If people want to enjoy the benefit of roads, petrol, repairs, insurance (which they do), let them pay, out of their own money, for the value thereof to the people who generate that value/provide those services.
I'm sure nobody has a problem with that. Or is it better to be forced to pay the previous car owner for the rights to state-rationed 'free' running costs?
By analogy, if people want to enjoy the benefits of exclusive possession of certain bits of land, let them pay for the value thereof to the people who generate that value/provide those services/respect their right to exclusive possession.
Or is it better to be forced to pay the previous land owner (who plays no further role in providing those services) for the right to all the benefits that will flow from the services provided 'by the community' in the future?
Nice analogy.
Just one little quibble: " fuel duties on the petrol to cover the cost of road maintenance"
You're 'aving a laff, aren't you?
Spending on road maintenance = around £4 billion (half local authority, half national.
Fuel duty receipts = £25 billion.
AC, I made that point in my first comment above, and have mentioned it often enough.
That is why fuel duty is like LVT. Motorists pay, entirely voluntarily, for the value of the roads they use instead of being forced to pay, through income tax, for cost.
Although people hate paying tax, fuel duty ain't such a bad tax: If they reduced it, people would drive more and roads would be more crowded. So people who 'need' to drive might save £1 a day, but would lose an hour of time. It's like a simple and elegant form of road pricing.
Further, in relative terms, the price of petrol would fluctuate much more strongly without fuel duty (that's a maths thing).
If you had to have planning permission for a car & build it in your front yard with an individualised design presented in advance you might just be able to get a motorised go-kart if you could afford the architect's fees.
The only reason this doesn't happen is because cars are mobile & thus not the easy target for government parasites that homes are.
NC: exactly. Car-Owner-Ism would be awful, so why do we put up with Home-Owner-Ism?
"cars are mobile & thus not the easy target for government parasites that homes are."
I work in tax and IMHO cars are thoroughly over-taxed and traffic is thoroughly over-regulated in this country (traffic lights, speed limits) in this country. BUT the main tax on cars, fuel duty, is like LVT for road usage. They don't tax the car, they tax the road use. Which is fair enough.
It is fair if they spend a fair proportion of the money raised on roads. The BBC recently did an "interactive" way of choosing what cuts you wanted showing the costs & said that cutting the transport budget would mean a cut of 320 miles of new motorway a year - the catch being that there have been zero miles since 2000.
However if cars were that regulated people would still be buying & improving the Model T Fords (that would have been) made in the 1970s which would prevent them losing value.
NC, as my Planning Minister, you ought to know better than that.
As AC points out above, only about a fifth is spent on roads generally, and a very small fraction on NEW roads. You try suggesting building a NEW road and the NIMBYs will bombard you with death threats.
So there are 'not enough' roads* so they have to be rationed, and the best form of rationing is price rationing. Vehicle specific road pricing is a load of crap in practice, ergo do it with fuel duties etc (whereby I would scrap VAT on fuel and hike the duty accordingly).
* There will never be 'enough' roads. Once you build one, people will adjust their travel patterns and use it up. Ergo it's just a question of striking a balance somehow.
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Brilliant. Comment a bit late, but I'm catching up.
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