Monday 10 May 2010

Fun Online Polls: The Next General Election & Land Ownership

Having caught snippets of the details of the 'negotiations' between the Lib Dems and the Tories on the telly over the weekend, it strikes me that all the big three parties must have known for weeks that a hung Parliament was a very real prospect, so I would have expected each party to have sent off a small delegation to haggle with the others over what the terms of a possible coalition would be, just in case. From where I am sitting, their overall policies are so similar, that it can't be too difficult to go through their manifestos line-by-line and find a compromise on each one.

So either:

a) They are reasonably competent, have thrashed this out in advance and are now just playing to the gallery (which makes them unfit to run a country, this is not a game), or

b) They are in fact totally incompetent and vain, and lived in a fantasy world where 'their' Party was going to win an outright majority (again making them unfit to run a country).

Whichever answer is closest to the truth, what the public (i.e. me) really wants to know is, how long will they stumble along, playing to the gallery and/or living in a fantasy world, until they throw in the towel and call another General Election.

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As to last week's Fun Online Poll, "Is landownership possible in the absence of a 'state'?" I was heartily relieved to see that 62% chose "No, of course not. The two are synonymous.", but perturbed in equal measure by the 38% who chose "Yes, and I have left a comment explaining how it would work."

Out of the 36 who said they'd leave a comment explaining how it would work, only five bothered to actually try and explain how it would work. These answers fell into two categories:

a) The usual faux-libertarian "land ownership can be protected by force", which is self-defeating - whoever has the biggest army, or can call on the compliance of the most people IS the state, so that is just replacing one state with another, and

b) The other faux-libertarian favourite "land can be bought and sold by private contract", which completely misses the point. Of course it is quite possible for land to be bought and sold by private contract, but that does not address the subject matter of the contract.

I tried to illustrate the point here, by referring to broadcasting licences, it may be just as useful to look at the opposite extreme and consider things which are totally illegal in most countries, like drugs.

If I had asked "Is the ownership of drugs possible in the absence of a 'state'?" then the answer must quite clearly be yes. We know that people grow and manufacture drugs, smuggle them into the country, wholesale and retail them, and the user buys them from his local dealer and consumes them. The state goes to all manner of lengths to try and prevent this at every step of the way.

Ownership of drugs, in a legal sense, is more or less impossible - if they catch you at customs with half a kilo of coke, then they will take it off you, whether you can show proof or purchase or not. But when you go to your dealer for an ounce of dope, he expects hard cash there and then - there is little point you pointing out to him that in legal/criminal terms, he does not own what he is selling - in a very real and practical sense he does.

When you are buying drugs, you are paying for the drugs themselves - the physical stuff, which in turn the dealer and everybody else in the supply chain has created from scratch, and so on.

Compare and contrast this with 'land ownership'. What are you paying for when you buy land (apart from the buildings perched on it)? You are paying for exclusive occupation of a certain plot of land (or part thereof, in the case of a block of flats), which, within your budget constraint, you have chosen because it is near to your place of work or a train station, has a nice view, is near the shops, in a low crime area, in the catchment area of a good state school etc etc.

Some of these things happen of their own accord, some of these things are paid for out of taxation (separate topic). You are not paying for the physical land - you are paying for a bundle of things which the vendor has not had any hand in creating.

Further, unlike illegal drugs, land ownership is only possible with the state's blessing - it has to be recorded at HM Land Registry (or in olden times, backed up by title deeds which would be recognised in court) - and is only worth something because the state is prepared to guarantee exclusive possession, by evicting squatters if need be. Again, you can contrast this with drugs - they still have value, even though the state will not protect your title or guarantee exclusive possession - if somebody nicks them off you, you can hardly go to the police, and if they are of inferior quality, you cannot go to the local Trading Standards Officer.

Sure, in theory, the state/the police protect ownership of all physical goods, but even with higher value items like cars, the chances are, if your car is stolen, the police will give you a crime number and go back to watching television in the canteen. The reason why so few cars are stolen is because of locks and immobilisers and so on, and if your car is stolen or vandalised, most people will just claim it back on the insurance rather then expecting the car to be returned to them. But car ownership still 'works', even though it is far more privatised than the system of landownership.

If the state had the same lackadaisical attitude to land as it did to cars, i.e. if you get squatters, just claim on the insurance, then things would look a lot different - insurance premiums would be colossal, and land values would be correspondingly low.

Just sayin', is all.

12 comments:

bayard said...

My vote is for b) above. I don't think you can go far wrong overestimating the vanity of politicians.

PS I know it's not a game, but it has been a theatre, since Roman times.

Chuckles said...

Wrong question. Many of us are asking 'How long can this blissful period of no government last?'

Mark Wadsworth said...

B, you may well be right with b), which is very worrying indeed.

C, it's the same question, isn't it? We know that Belgium recently managed more than six months without one, so maybe we could go for seven?

Chuckles said...

Not really, I'm in favour of the longest possible period of stumbling before they call an election. So yes, I'd love them to go for the 7 month record, although I think some nations on the Horn of Africa have us beat there.
Unfortunately, given the abilities of the people in question, I doubt whether they could even manage a negative record.

bayard said...

I think Alastair Darling has the right idea. While Brown is holed up in the No 10 bunker and Cameron and Clegg are performing a mating dance, he has formed a triumvirate with Osborne and Cable to get on with the financial decisions that have to be made.

Robin Smith said...

bayard: are you really that naive? Sorry to offend but really!

b)

I'm predicting a December 2nd poll and have been doing for some time at least before Christmas

http://gco2e.blogspot.com/2010/05/gb-resigns-my-election-strategy-is.html

bayard said...

I know that saying that any MP or minister is doing a good job is somewhat unfashionable at the moment, but I'm intrigued as to what you think is naive about commending old Badger Brows for getting on with things and actually talking to the opposition while his leader sulks.

Robin Smith said...

bayard: that you actually believe that is what is really happening. Your theory does not fit the observed facts. Which are that badger brows delivered us the biggest credit crunch in history, when he had all the information he needed, in abundance, to avoid it. I know, we sent it to him, he denied it, we were proven correct.

DUMP THE LOT

Mark Wadsworth said...

Robin, hang about here. The Badger became Chancellor just as the wheels were coming off, and among his first pronouncements were that the credit bubble and house price bubble were getting out of hand.

Given that he has no experience or training in financial or banking stuff, he didn't do so badly at all (measured by 'their' admittedly low standards).

And as to what the EU cooked up last weekend, as Bayard says, he did the best he could for the UK under difficult circ's, having discussed it with Osborne and Cable first.

Robin Smith said...

Are you saying the leader in charge of the countries finances, starts from scratch ?

And that when he sees the asteroid approaching the advice is to go and hide in a cave and hope it goes away ?

And then when it hits to deny all knowledge of any evidence that has clearly been placed before him ?

And that we give the job preferably someone who has no experience ?

How do you know what he actually discussed with those other corrupt officials ? (well Osborne was found sequestering funds to get power from an oligarch)

This is pro state trolling surely. And from you?

Mark Wadsworth said...

Robin, I am merely saying that (judged by their own low standards), The Badger did a reasonably good job (in difficult circumstances).

In the same way, it could be said that some units in Afgh are doing better or worse than others - the fact that they shouldn't be there in the first place and are fighting a destructive and unwinnable war is a separate topic.

Robin Smith said...

Understood. Apologies to you both.

My point, a different one granted, is not to accept the "wisdom" of those low standards and to shoot for high standards. My worry is there is a danger in accepting anything as useful from them