Sunday 10 January 2010

Solar activity

The most challenging bit in the book I have now finished reading is at the end of the chapter on climate change. The authors suggest that the most coherent explanation therefor is 'solar activity', which I understand as follows:

1. Everything in space, including the earth is constantly bombarded with cosmic rays, which are basically protons from outer space. PS, a proton is nothing mysterious: "A proton can be thought of as a hydrogen atom that has lost its electron."

2. When cosmic rays go through the atmosphere, they turn into muons or 'heavy electrons', which in turn causes 'ionization'. Quite how a proton turns into a 'heavy electron' is lost on me, but I shall take that on faith.

3. There is a correlation between cosmic rays/muons and low-level cloud formation, ergo we can assume that the former causes the latter (remember that "High optically thin clouds tend to heat while low optically thick clouds tend to cool."). The explanation from here appears to be simply that "elevated levels of ionization seem to facilitate the coagulation of such molecules as sulfuric acid (H2SO4) in the atmosphere into tiny droplets, which then form condensation nuclei for water vapor. The condensed droplets of water then form clouds."

4. Low-level clouds tend to make the earth's surface cooler and damper, and is not good for harvests, as observed by Herschel in 1801 (who noticed the correlation between sunspots and grain prices).

5. The sun has various overlapping cycles of increasing and decreasing magnetic activity. The level of magnetic activity can be measured by the number of sunspots that can be observed. From here: "Sunspots were observed in the Far East for over 2000 years, but examined more intensely in Europe after the invention of telescopes in the 17th century. In 1647 Johannes Hevelius (1611-87) in Danzig made drawings of the movements of sunspots eastwards and gradually towards the solar equator. In 1801 William Herschel (1738-1822) attempted to correlate the annual number of sunspots to the price of grain in London. The 11-year cycle of the number of sunspots was first demonstrated by Heinrich Schwabe (1789-1875) in 1843."

6. That's all simple enough so far. What is interesting is the converse: when there are more sunspots than usual, that means that the sun's magnetic activity or 'solar radiation' is stronger, which creates a solar wind, which deflects cosmic rays from the earth, so there is less low-level cloud formation, so temperatures rise, harvests improve etc.

7. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course. The sun's magnetic field seems to go through lots of different overlapping cycles, the shortest is an eleven-year cycle, but there are much longer ones - so at some points in time we'll be at the bottom of one cycle but at the top of another, so they would cancel out; at other times we'd be at the top or the bottom of two or more different cycles, so they would reinforce each other. If (and that's a big IF) people are clever enough to work out these cycles, and they do indeed have the effect that is assumed (another big IF), then they should be able to forecast climate change reasonably accurately.

Glossing over the almost tongue-in-cheek retraction at the start of this article..."Typically, sunspots flare up and settle down in cycles of about 11 years. In the last 50 years, we haven't been living in typical times: 'If you look back into the sun's past, you find that we live in a period of abnormally high solar activity,' Dr. Weiss states. These hyperactive periods do not last long, 'perhaps 50 to 100 years, then you get a crash ... It's a boom-bust system, and I would expect a crash soon.'"

Excellent! Something else to worry about.

17 comments:

dearieme said...

I'm sceptical of simple explanations of complicated stuff like weather, or its average, "climate". But at least this yarn is more testable than the CO2 malarky, which means it's better science, even if it proves false in the end. That the CO2 malarky is rubbish science can be seen immediately from its proponents' habit of using it to "explain" any weather event of any sort.

For the cloud-forming point, just cast your mind back to the Wilson cloud chamber that you must have come across in your schooldays.

Mark Wadsworth said...

D, as you say,"this yarn is more testable than the CO2 malarky, which means it's better science, even if it proves false in the end."

I personally do not think that Wilson cloud chambers prove this one way or another, they are just too small. You'd need one a cubic mile big to prove anything one way or another.

James Higham said...

So therefore we're still left in the realm of speculation.

dearieme said...

No,no, all I meant was that remembering the cloud chamber will persuade you that it is conceivable that subatomic particles hitting air can lead to clouds forming, nothing more detailed than that.
Another point I'd make, however, is that there are always large numbers of physicists who are facing imminent unemployment and are therefore keen to invade other people's fields of work. I'd guess that lots of such people are already wondering how they can get funding to butt into "Climate Science" - and they would terrify the present Climate Scientologists, who are mostly a bunch of duds. The invading physicists would probably be much cleverer and certainly be much more arrogant.

dearieme said...

Hob, "the realm of speculation" tends to be where you find yourself in fields where you can't do controlled experiments. That's why you can be confident that the claim that the CO2 malarkey is "settled science" is false.

Talking of scientific twaddle, I see that the swine flu frauds seem to be beating a retreat.

Mark Wadsworth said...

JH, D, they can't really do experiments to prove the sunspot theory, but what they can do is long-term correlations, which appear to stack up. I don't think the precise mechanism is that important, what is important is its use as a forecasting/explaining tool.

For example 'Red sky at nigh/red sky in the morning' appears to be reasonably reliable at predicting the weather short term, even if you don't know how to explain it.

View from the Solent said...

There will be an experiment at CERN later this year - the CLOUD experiment - to test the hypothesis that cloud formation is affected by cosmic ray intensity. Brief description plus video here http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1181073.

Of course, since there are scientists at CERN, they test hypotheses.

Mark Wadsworth said...

VFTS, that's a good video. I assume that the Warmenists will be hatching a plot to discredit him.

View from the Solent said...

Mark,
If the warmenists get their retaliation in before the results, I think they'll get a bloody nose. Those guys are hard scientists, not like the Mickey Mouse crew at CRU, NASA, et al. You probably need a BSc in molecular biology just to get a job cooking the breakfast over there.

btw. The CERN write-up refers to later in the year of 2009. It was delayed, of course, when the LHC blew a fuse.

Mark Wadsworth said...

VFTS, what worries me is that they plan to do this reconstruction in a 3 meter diameter chamber, which is not really a fair model of the 'atmosphere'. Proving or disproving that ions cause water vapour to condense is a doddle.

dearieme said...

"VFTS, what worries me is that they plan to do this reconstruction in a 3 meter diameter chamber, which is not really a fair model of the 'atmosphere'." One of the points of proper science, Mark, is that it lets you test hypotheses on a scale very different from some of the applications you have in mind.

Peter Whale said...

Hi the other correlation which looked
impressive was the flight of the solar system through the arms of the spirals of our milky way galaxy which accurately reflects the big ice ages.
Star dust is a remarkable substance.

View from the Solent said...

dearieme 0:29 - quite.

Mark,
Indeed, moving ions cause tracks in a cloud chamber is well-known.
But what these people http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/Research/CLOUD-en.html will do is investigate the effect of a huge stream of particles in a large chamber (reduced edge-effects) over a range of temperature/pressure/humidity which simulates conditions throughout the atmosphere. Pages 50 et. al. of this pdf contains the gory detail.
And this is proper science. They are attempting to falsify (=disprove) the cosmic ray/cloud effect. If they do, that's a success.
If they don't, it proves nothing. They'll have collected a huge amount of data supporting the hypothesis which will allow them to flesh it out and devise futher experiments to test the new ideas.

Anyway, aren't there any stories yet of fauna made dangerous by all the global warming that covers the country?

Anonymous said...

Mark:

re #2: Cosmic ray protons collide with atomic nuclei in the atmosphere. The collision is energetic enough to break up the proton and produce pions. The pions decay over a few hundred metres via the weak interaction (the same process that causes nuclear beta decay) to produce (mostly) muons and neutrinos. The muon is comparatively long-lived (with a lifetime of 2 microseconds), and is travelling fast, so the lifetime is enhanced by relativistic time dilation. This means that the majority of the muons so produced reach the Earth's surface.

#3. Maybe, maybe not. There really is a correlation between cosmic muon rate and stratospheric temperature (a warmer stratosphere is less dense, so there's less stuff for the protons to collide with to make muons). It's certainly plausible that muons cause low-level clouds to form more easily, but I wouldn't want to have too much confidence in it.

Alexander said...

Cosmic rays have nothing to do with protons: they are high energy photons called gamma rays.

Mark Wadsworth said...

PW, great, 540 million year cycles as we drift from arm to arm. A fat lot of use that is.

VFTS, sure, they are trying to prove or disprove one little link in the chain between more sunspots -> and -> warmer weather. Whether or not they identify a particular link is IMHO less interesting than the overall correlation (which would be proved or disproved by simple observation and correlation).

Anon, as to 2, agreed (esp. the time dilation bit, I enjoyed that). As to 3, this may or may not be a link (see above).

Alexander, that's an epic fail. Even I know that photons are particles of light (or gamma rays). These make up barely 1% of "cosmic rays" (in the narrower sense).

View from the Solent said...

Hi Mark,
Correlation is not causation! No matter how good the correlation.

The intro section of the pdf I linked to explains the reasoning behind CLOUD.
For example "...in the absence of an established physical mechanism,even the evidence for solar-climate correlations accumulated in studies over the last two hundred years has not proved cause and effect. But now — and perhaps for the first time — we have a definite hypothesis for the mechanism that can be tested
experimentally, namely: are cosmic rays affecting cloud formation? ...."

But it's time I stopped banging on about one of my interests.