Anybody who knows anything about anything, i.e. bloggers, knows that the war in Afghanistan is over drugs and money. A few days ago, it was reported that "The Obama administration is considering outbidding the Taliban to persuade Afghan villagers to lay down arms as it struggles to find a new approach to a war that is fast losing public and congressional support..." Ross thought this was a good idea, as did Obo.
It appears that the peace-loving Italians actually did this:
When ten French soldiers were killed last year in an ambush by Afghan insurgents in what had seemed a relatively peaceful area, the French public were horrified... The French had been in charge of the Sarobi area, east of Kabul, for only a month, taking over from the Italians; it was one of the biggest single losses of life by Nato forces in Afghanistan.
What the grieving nation did not know was that in the months before the French soldiers arrived in mid-2008, the Italian secret service had been paying tens of thousands of dollars to Taleban commanders and local warlords to keep the area quiet, The Times has learnt. The clandestine payments, whose existence was hidden from the incoming French forces, were disclosed by Western military officials.
Italy has promptly denied it of course, but they would, wouldn't they?
Of course, if you take a step back, you'll realise that the whole war is the conflagration of American prudishness (they want heroin to be illegal); Australian/Tasmanian commercial self-interest (they want to control the market for legal opiates) and British stupidity (we do what the Americans do), so could fix it by sourcing legal opiates from Afghanistan instead.
Even better than that we could legalise heroin and source heroin from there as well, and it would become just an agricultural economy like any other. With oppression of women and gays and limb-amputations just to add a bit of local colour, of course.
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Interesting about denial. I jsut said the same about Berlusconi denying his wrongdoing.
I said similar on Dave's Part blog on September 11th @ 9.i5 but because I said some disrespectful things about the hippies that used to hang out in Kabul got quite royally disrespected in turn.Why right-on lefties support or have supported druggie American New Leftism, the IRA,Islamic fundamentalism,vegetarianism,animal rights and sexual minority interests is something I have never understood .In the States ,people are anti-left over gay marriage.
Though a lot you right-wing maniacs care!
I'm advocating paying the low level Pashtun fighters, not giving it to the chief in the hope that he'll actually pay the gunmen.
Hmm I am pretty sure we went into Afghanistan to get rid of the Taliban.
What we are utter failures at is nation-building and so now we don't know what to do.
Personally I would throw more troops at it, get a good military victory next summer and help teh Pakistani's out against the Taliban too.
I am all for a fight against mulsim findamentalism
JH, I replied over at yours.
DBC, I hope you're not bracketing me in with "right-wing maniacs"?
Ross, sure, we know what happens to third world aid. We'd have to pay it out to individual men and women not hand it over to local warlords.
CU:
a) we did it to get our own back for 9/11 (and rightly so).
b) What would help Pakistan most is to bring back Musharraf, just look at the way its gone downhill since he moved to his new flat above a launderette in North London!
c) Yes, let's fight Muslim fundamentalism, but let's start by fighting it in the UK which is relatively easy and worry about ****istan later. The only way to stop it abroad is to stop buying oil from the Arabs (who finance it all), which ain't going to happen any time soon
Sorry Mark,the war is about 150 plus nuclear war heads with state of the art miniturised delivery systems sitting in pakistani army barracks being attacked by AQ/Taliban in the ongoing pakistani civil war.
Where staying, not that i want too,i went last year and its a first rate shit hole. Belive you me these monkeys are hell bent on taking us all back to the stone ages.
I am pretty sure we went into Afghanistan to get rid of the Taliban.
Sean, apart from the fact that we started meddling in Afgh in 2002 (the actual invasion didn't happen until much later) you've contradicated yourself there:
a) Is it a civil war in Pakistan, in which case what are we doing in in Afgh?
b) Have AQ/Taliban partially invaded Pakistan (who appear to be losing) in which case we should be invading Pakistan (or at least confiscating or destroying their nukes)?
Either way, sourcing opiates from Afgh would be a goo place to start.
I am pretty sure we went into Afghanistan because the US did, and we always support/suck up to the US. I'm pretty sure that the US went in because 1. they wanted to kick someone's, anyone's ass after 9/11, 2. Afghanistan was one of the few countries in the world without a US military base in it so the Afghans didn't show them proper respect and 3. something about oil, gas, a pipeline or something else to do with natural resources, because all wars boil down to resource wars these days.
I seem to remember a US President in the sixties getting into a little police action in French IndoChina. Back then is was all about "hearts and minds". The result was the Americans getting their arses well and truly kicked in a war their troops were derided for back home, but made a lot of Hollywood actors, directors and producers very very rich.
Seems a similar situation has arisen in Afghanistan. The Yanks bomb wedding parties and the Brits drop leaflet bombs on little girls. The local populace are less enamoured with the occupying forces and see the Taliban as the lesser of the two evils. Hearts and minds lost already, but the prospect of withdrawing troops altogether is not realistic as the defence industry hasn't used up all their end-of-shelf-life ordnance yet. The war has a few years to run before western politicians change their tune and start uttering mealy-mouthed platitudes about bringing the boys home from foreign wars.
History has a habit of repeating itself, so if I was Obama I wouldn't go visiting Dallas anytime soon.
As I said on Dave's Part yonks ago,
we should bribe the Afghans fighting for the Taleban to go home to their farmsteads and then build up infrastructure(roads,irrigation) for their benefit,give a guaranteed market for opium with a kind of Opium Marketing Board to guarantee prices (like what Orwell's dad worked for in India) and pay a ground rent for any working
pipeline in the Henry George manner so farmers and villages would not get paid if there was an interruption anywhere along its length.
I made a comparison with Clive at Plassey who won a stunning victory by bribing one set of enemies to stop fighting.
The whole private sector funding method of armies/navies needs revaluation to my mind.Nelson was shot when he was totting up his prize money with his onboard agent.Falstaff made money by a)"padding the muster book"indenting for recruits who had bribed him not to go b)ransoming wealthy soldiers who surrendered to him believing his pan-European PR about killing world-class psychopath Hotspur at Snrewsbury.
The notion of armies being public sector services is comparatively new and it most odd for the Conservatives and right-wing fanatics in general to call for privatisation in everything but
the services.There is lot to be said for mercenaries like the Gurkhas and French Foreign Legion because you don't have to build the homes fit for heroes and bend social policy to fit the demands of conscript Citizen Armies.Look what happened to Churchill election-wisw in 1945.
Also you would not get world wars as such and the distinction between civilians and servicemen would be sharper,so bombing residential areas would appear more reprehensible.
My remarks about right-wing maniacs in the previous post was the result of my exasperation with the cling-ons that attach to left-wing politics which I could not expect anybody much to sympathise with.My apologies : the remark was in jest!
Actually I don't think Afghanistan is primarily about drugs & money. The place is not wealthy & it is not clear which side is less involved in the drug trade.
I think it is about maintaining face (ensuring that "NATO is respected" - the same reason we kept bombing Yugoslav civilians) & continuing to uphold al Quaeda as one of the "hobgoblins" which allows the state to keep us "cowed & easily led" to quote Mencken. The other common purpose of government activity is to employ more government parasites (as you so ably mention above) but since Afgahanistan is a dangerous dump I don't think creating jobs for British civil servants there is a priority.
Mark, simple fact, Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan are exactly the same thing.
Basically between Pakistan and Afghanistan is a no mans land, were boarders and passports do not matter, where loyalty to tribes do, and this goes all the way up to the kush too.
AQ are basically the international military wing of the Taliban.
Sorry we have little alternative, we let Afghanistan go, the Taliban will then be able to focus totally on Pakistan who's secret service the SIS incidentally set up the Taliban and they will over run Pakistan where too they have a lot of support, (inc many in the army) and then we really are up shit creek.
Sorry friend no alternative but to stand and fight, and it sickens me to say that.
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