I accept this is fish/barrel stuff, but hey. From The Daily Express:
60% OF COUNCIL HOUSE TENANTS DON'T PAY RENTMake up your minds, is it 60% or 66.66%?
NEARLY two-thirds of council housing tenants get all their rent paid by the taxpayer, it was revealed last night.
The massive benefits handout – largely to households where no one has a job – is costing hard-working middle-income families a total of £10billion a year. That is the equivalent of £476 every year for every privately-owned home in Britain...The £10 billion headline cost to the DWP is meaningless of course, as this money gets paid straight to local councils as rent who then have it deducted from their Whitehall grants, thus reducing the amount that the council receives from the taxpayer ... so it's just different branches of the government shuffling money around between themselves. The true cash costs are the actual running costs of those units, repairs, insurance, interest etc, not the headline figure, which is covered by the rent that the other 40% pay (who don't claim Housing Benefit). Let's not debate the notional costs, that's too complicated for now.
Figures reveal there are now three million households living in publicly-owned homes whose rent is funded through housing benefit.So he didn't spot the logical flaw either, which is typical of the TPA.
Matthew Elliott, chief executive of the Tax- Payers’ Alliance, said: “This is a shocking figure and a massive financial burden on taxpayers. Ordinary families are struggling to put food on the table and keep a roof over their own heads without the ever-growing benefits culture. More must be done to cut the number of people living at taxpayers’ expense, and wherever possible a fair rate should be charged for social housing.”
And if 'ordinary families' are so envious of those living in council housing for free, they can always pack in their jobs and put themselves on a waiting list, can't they? It's not the sort of lifestyle I'd choose, but hey, each to his own.
Average incomes of council tenants have plummeted since the early 1980s when the majority of people living in local authority accommodation were in low-income jobs and paid their own rent. Between 1981 and 2006, the proportion of social housing tenants in full-time employment fell from 67 per cent to 34 per cent.Well duh, if two-thirds of social tenants were in work in 1981 and half of social housing has been sold off since then (not just under the Tories!) to the better-off poor who could afford a mortgage on the heavily discounted price, it stands to reason that the fraction goes up, simply because the same number of unemployed is being compared with a smaller number of social homes. I accept that they probably sold off less than half, but the point still stands (all the Afghanistanis and Somalis probably make up the balance, of course).
Critics claim that Labour’s benefits policy has destroyed incentives to work for many families living in deprived areas, leaving them dependent on handouts and public housing.Again, duh, the only people who take welfare reform seriously are proponents of a Citizen's Income-style system. The welfare state as it stands has developed piecemeal over the decades and was largely unaffected by changes in government, i.e. the system now is not radically different from what it was in 1997. Worse, yes; more expensive, yes; radically different, no.
We then get the bleating from the Housing Associations that we covered a couple of days ago, and finally:
A spokesman for the Department for Communities and Local Government recognised some housing associations were concerned about a possible cut in their rental income. He said: “We are consulting on proposals which will protect housing associations from a drop in rental income of more than two per cent.”Protect = give them more taxpayers' money, of course.
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Slight amendment. The deprived areas thingy means areas where the economic reason be has gone. These 'communities' are being sustained on purely lifestyle and /or vote buying grounds. The populations in them have to move to where the work is. The work won't come to them unless its subsidised, which brings us round in a circle.
Possibly.
But look at the areas in London where 'communities' whine that there are no jobs (e.g. Hackney). Of course there aren't many jobs in Hackney, there aren't many jobs in the stockbroker belt either, because they all get on the train and commute 45 minutes into London.
Given that the commute from Hackney into London is more like 20 minutes, I don't really see this as an argument (this logic doesn't apply to former mining villages etc, but seeing as the mines shut down twenty years ago ...).
Three fifths?
To quibble over the difference between 60% and two-thirds is ludicrous. They're the same damn number to all intents and purposes. The difference is 1/15.
When I ascend to the post of benevolent dictator of the UK, housing benefit will be in the first tranche of welfare handouts to be abolished. It's a ludicrous, distorting subsidy. Housing should no more be privileged via the taxpayer than food or DVD rentals from Blockbuster.
MW: "Make up your minds, is it 60% or 66.66%?"
David Gillies: "To quibble over the difference between 60% and two-thirds is ludicrous."
I rather agree with Mr Gillies on this one.
David Gillies: "To quibble over the difference between 60% and two-thirds is ludicrous."
Well, in this case it's 6.666% of £10 billion, which is £666.6 million. Hardly a negligible sum of money, even by public spending standards.
But I agree, housing benefit should be abolished. It's an invitation to fraud and if you can't afford the rent on the dole, that's an argument for putting up the dole, not for subsidising those who live in rented accommodation.
David Gillies: "Housing should no more be privileged via the taxpayer than food or DVD rentals from Blockbuster."
I understand that a particularly poor and underprivileged section of the community* get a state handout for food of £500 a month.
*MPs!
"they can always pack in their jobs and put themselves on a waiting list, can't they?"
They can't choose to not be taxed to buggery, not subjected to inflated rents, and not be crowded out of goods and services by the recipients of the loot.
It's hardly freedom of choice where the only alternative to being robbed of 50% of your money is to not bother getting any in the first place.
Apart from that, agree with the post
Mark,
Vaguely OT but the whole Fake Charity thing interests me greatly. Would it be OK if at some point I call on your expertise on this subject?
Bayard: "housing benefit should be abolished. It's an invitation to fraud". I agree, as far as HB for private tenants is concerned. HB for social tenants is a different matter, see my point 3 here.
NickM, sure, send me an email.
Mark, BTW, would we expect to pay income tax on our £70/week?
Bayard, no of course not!
CBI is like any other 'universal benefit' for legally resident citizens (the right to vote, child benefit, the right to call the police or fire brigade, use the NHS*, send your child to a state school*) i.e. non-contributory, non-means tested, non-taxable.
* Until such a time as we replace them with vouchers, of course.
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