Sunday 29 May 2022

The long history of diagonal comparisons

Bayard in the comments linked to Eunice Newton Foote, the Forgotten Pioneer of the Greenhouse Effect:

In her brief study [in 1856], entitled Circumstances affecting the Heat of the Sun’s Rays, the amateur scientist described an experiment in which she exposed glass cylinders equipped with thermometers to the Sun and attached to a pump to draw air from one and compress it in the other.

Eunice compared the heating and cooling in the two cylinders. She observed, first, that the cylinder with the compressed air heated up more than the other in which the vacuum had been drawn. Second, that the heating was greater with moist air than with dry air.

Thirdly, and this was her great and almost fortuitous discovery—since she also experimented with hydrogen and oxygen—that the greatest degree of heating occurred when one of the cylinders was filled with carbonic acid gas: CO2.


OK, this experiment suggests that some gases warm up more than others when in bright sunlight. This illustrates quite a few interesting things about the properties of glass and various gases - mainly density and specific heat capacity of gases, which is why you get the same result with pure argon as with pure CO2 - but it does not in the slightest illustrate what they claim it illustrates. For clarity, Earth's atmosphere is approx. 1% argon and 0.04% CO2.

Here's an article which - inadvertently - makes the contradiction clear:

How can I see for myself that CO2 absorbs heat?

As an experiment that can be done in the home or the classroom, Smerdon recommends filling one soda bottle with CO2 (perhaps from a soda machine) and filling a second bottle with ambient air. “If you expose them both to a heat lamp, the CO2 bottle will warm up much more than the bottle with just ambient air,” he says.


Fine, it does just that. Now, what's the theory again?

Why does carbon dioxide let heat in, but not out?

Energy enters our atmosphere as visible light, whereas it tries to leave as infrared energy. In other words, “energy coming into our planet from the Sun arrives as one currency, and it leaves in another,” said Smerdon.


True.

CO2 molecules don’t really interact with sunlight’s wavelengths. Only after the Earth absorbs sunlight and reemits the energy as infrared waves can the CO2 and other greenhouse gases absorb the energy.

Woah! Just woah! The experiment shows that CO2 is warmed by SW radiation from the Sun (or heat lamp); then they say that CO2 isn't affected by SW radiation, it is only warmed up by LW radiation from the warmed surface ('traps heat')!

If they wanted to illustrate how CO2 is warmed by LW radiation from the surface (i.e. warmed more than N2, O2 or Ar), they should put their bottles - including one filled with argon as a control - in the shade, so that they are only affected by LW radiation from the surface. If the CO2 bottle reaches a higher temperature than the others, it would be persuasive. Only they know that this wouldn't happen and so would not support the theory... which is why they don't do it.

5 comments:

Lola said...

"Energy enters our atmosphere as visible light, whereas it tries to leave as infrared energy. In other words, “energy coming into our planet from the Sun arrives as one currency, and it leaves in another,” said Smerdon"

Hang on a cotton picking minute there. Surely energy (from the sun) is not just 'visible' light? There must be a whole spectrum of electromagnetic wavelenghts arriving. 'Visible light' ain't 'heat'.

Mark Wadsworth said...

L, yes, sunshine contains shorter and longer wavelengths than visible, which is only a small part.

But the general gist of what they say is correct. Sunshine/energy arrives at shorter waves, warms Earth, then Earth (being nowhere near as hot as the sun!) emits longer waves.

My point was that an experiment showing clearly that CO2 warms up when exposed to shorter waves doth not prove that it is unaffected by shorter waves and is warmed up by long waves.

Matt said...

If the heat lamps in the referenced article from columbia.edu emit the bulk of the energy in the infrared spectrum, then your point is incorrect that short wavelength radiation is heating the bottle of CO2.

You can find something that looks like the lamp in the linked BBC video at https://www.nisbets.co.uk/cleaning-and-hygiene/lighting-and-fixtures/infrared-bulbs-and-heat-lamps/_/a33-3 ("Buffalo Carving Station Heating Lamp") from which I quote:

"Heat lamps are an essential for any buffet, display counter or electric food warmer. Infrared heat lamps heat up quickly, making it easy for you to keep your food at the perfect temperature."

Matt said...

Heat lamps emit infrared so are long wavelength.

Mark Wadsworth said...

M, they use very bright lights. Might be some IR as well as SW.

So what? The Alarmist theory is that CO2 'traps' very long wave IR coming up from the surface. Sure, CO2 is an insulator, like Argon. That is a different concept and at trace levels has bugger all effect.