From the BBC:
A no-deal Brexit could cost the farming industry £850m a year in lost profits, new research seen by the BBC suggests...
OK, enlighten us.
Farm business consultants Andersons said that without government support increasing significantly, some farms would inevitably struggle to survive. The government says it will "provide direct support to boost some sectors in the unlikely event this is required".
We own land! Give us money!
Under a no-deal Brexit, farms could have to pay a tariff on goods exported to the EU for the first time. Lamb and live sheep exports could face tariffs of 45-50%, while trade and farming groups say some cuts of beef could see tariffs of more than 90%. If European firms suddenly start having to pay more for UK meat, the fear is they could quickly switch to suppliers in other countries.
Tariffs are bad for the exporter then, OK.
Other so-called "non-tariff barriers", like extra veterinary and customs checks at the border, could also increase costs to farmers.
Non-tariff barriers are also bad, OK.
"It could wipe out the sheep industry in Northern Ireland," farmers Jo and Lindsay Best, from County Antrim, told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme. "A large percentage of our sheep are exported into France and the Republic of Ireland, and the price of feed could go up as well. It could decimate both the sheep and cattle industry here."
Why would the price of feed go up? Not clear.
Farms already receive more than £3.5bn a year in EU subsidies under the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP).
We own land! Give us money!
Under a no-deal Brexit, dairy exports would attract higher tariffs and other restrictions which, it is feared, could lead to an oversupply of milk in the UK and falling prices. At the same time, tariffs on imports from outside the EU could be cut substantially, meaning British farmers would face competition from low-cost butter and cheese made overseas.
So tariffs are bad, but low or zero tariffs are just as bad. Make up your minds.
Colin Ferguson, who runs his own herd of 200 dairy cattle on the Machars peninsula in south-west Scotland, said that would be his "biggest concern". "[Produce from overseas] doesn't need to meet the high welfare or production standards that we conform to, therefore our market gets undermined by cheap produce and the consumer quite rightly will buy the cheapest item on the shelf," he added.
So, non-tariff barriers are good?
The research by Andersons shows the impact of a no-deal Brexit will not be felt equally across the industry. Lamb and beef farming are likely to be hardest hit, especially in Wales and Northern Ireland.
Other businesses - like fruit and vegetables, pigs and poultry - could see modest increases in profitability as rivals like Danish bacon attract import tariffs and become more expensive.
So tariffs are good?
Here's a thought, everything will adjust. UK farmers will probably export less, but UK consumers will import less, so it balances out. The UK is only about two-thirds self-sufficient in food, so we can easily consume the entire UK farming industry's output. So lower "food miles" as well, which is surely A Good Thing? And maybe those sheep or dairy farmers can move into fruit and vegetables, pigs and poultry?
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"Under a no-deal Brexit, farms could have to pay a tariff on goods exported to the EU"
B*ll*cks. It will be an import tariff (if it comes about). The tariff is on goods imported to the EU (or any country). It's paid on the importing side.
Its physically paid on the import side.
Who funds the payment.
Unless the product has some monopoly price then its price can not go up on the market of its destiny, so someone in the chain must take less money.
And so it could be the British farmer.
What would the consequence be considering Farming is already protected from market forces by the CAP. AS Mark says the UK is only 2/3 self sufficient so why not consume it here.
Or can it for consumption later.
In 2018 the EU put a tariff on American whisky and denim jeans. Did anyone notice a price change on them.
D. Import tariffs are about keeping prices high for domestic producers. It's a protectionist measure. In other words the consumers in those ares 'protected' pay more. If the costs side of the exporting producer reduce, and also the currency exchange rate becomes favourable then why would UK farmers lose out? What the EU aka French farmers fear is world price farm products being imported as they are much lower than the prices French farmers 'enjoy'.
VFTS, see Dinero's explanation.
L, we could also chuck lower GBP into the mix, couldn't we?
Corned beef is currently £2 a tin
The EU is about to drop the tariff on Brazil / Argentine beef.
The EU are dropping tariffs nowadays... especially on things where UK producers have a comparative advantage.
"Under a no-deal Brexit, dairy exports would attract higher tariffs and other restrictions which, it is feared, could lead to an oversupply of milk in the UK and falling prices"
But those falling prices would hit the supermarkets, not the farmers. The supermarkets, presumably already pay the farmers the minimum they can get away with.
"And maybe those sheep or dairy farmers can move into fruit and vegetables, pigs and poultry?"
No they couldn't. Land used for grazing is land that is not suitable for growing crops (arable land), mostly, otherwise it would be used for growing crops. Only the best arable land is suitable for growing fruit and vegetables.
B, I'm sure you can do poultry or pig farming just about anywhere. And you can put up greenhouses anywhere (as long as it's not too steep). Mushrooms grow underground.
"And you can put up greenhouses anywhere (as long as it's not too steep). Mushrooms grow underground."
You still have to grow plants in something. If it was more economical to grow fruit and veg in polytunnels, everyone would be doing it already. Also there are huge areas of land that can only be used to graze sheep, like the Welsh mountains. It's all bollocks, anyway. You can't find Welsh lamb in the supermarkets because we already have some sort of deal with New Zealand on lamb, which is presumably why so much of our lamb is exported, which is nonsense.
The elephant in the room is, of course, the government's cheap food policy, which means farm gate prices have to be rock bottom so that the supermarkets can sell food cheaply and still make a fat profit. To this end, farmers are subsidised by the state. The net result is, of course, that the poor can afford to pay higher rents because they spend less on food.
Poly tunnels are a game changer when it comes to crop production. increasing the Growing season and mimicking the conditions of a warmer climate. Greenhouses also.
UK Land owners are paid CAP payments in return for keeping land in a state that is ready for agricultural use, unused but ready.
Farming in the UK is heavily governed , the CAP etc, and so could be changed accordingly.
The set aside land could be brought into use.
There is a continuous area of poly tunnel in southern Spain, Almeria, that is the size of the isle of white.
It is we poor sods still in the EU who get clobbered by the EU's tariffs. Not so much here in Sweden but the Irish will get clobbered because they import so much from the UK.
The sooner the EU closes itself down, the better.
> Physiocrat
"Not so much here in Sweden..."
Are there any price differentials in the nearby Switzerland that are associated with EU tariffs.
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