As we well know, tobacco duty (and VAT on top of that) is way too high in the UK, it is past the top of the Laffer Curve but the bansturbators love it for the obvious reasons. Now, people only have limited budgets, and if you are one of of the twenty per cent who smoke, you have to cough up whatever a packet of cigarettes a day costs, whatever your level of income. So the more expensive cigarettes are, the less you have to spend on food and other stuff.
Bansturbators also love telling people how to spend their money, which is why there are always mumblings about giving welfare claimants food vouchers instead of cash, so that they are forced to spend a certain amount on food. The Truly Righteous, like Julie from Bradford combine the absurd with the vulgar and add two and two to make five, see last Friday's Metro (page 14):
Kids only starve because their parents prefer to buy cigarettes and alcohol. We should issue benefit tokens only redeemable on food items.
This idea received further support from Anon or Sheffield in today's Metro (also page 14):
If pupils are going to school hungry, perhaps food vouchers for poor families would be a way to comabt it. I bet many who say they can't afford food spend at least a fiver a day on cigarettese, which would buy milk and cereal for a week. I've no problem with helping the needy but much deprivation is due to parents not getting their priorities right.
Seeing as only a fifth of adults smoke, it's probably only a minority of children who "starve" because their parents smoke, so that knocks the first letter out of the park. And instead of bumping up tobacco duty (and VAT thereon) even higher to discourage that remaining hard core from smoking (and thereby, by the bansturbators' own admission, depriving their children of food), how about just dropping tobacco duty to an affordable level, so that a packet of twenty costs £3 or something? Few smokers would smoke more just because it's cheaper, and hey presto, they've more money to spend on food for their children.
If you follow their logic to its ultimate conclusion, it would be more effective to give everybody vouchers for cheap cigarettes, those who smoke will use them, and those who don't can choose between throwing them away or selling them in the grey market, and if getting breakfast into children's mouths with the minimum of faff is the top priority, why not provide them with free or very cheap breakfasts before school starts?
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I'm not sure there's any starving children either. The children of the benefit addicted do seem rather rotund.
and if Child benefitz are used to buy smokes then that's yet another good reason to end them
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/property-ladder-replaced-by-treacherous-property-rope-bridge-2012070633288
"Poor kids are obese."
"Poor kids are starving."
You can't have it both ways.
And of course food vouchers would be tradeable at a discount too...
Starving kids (if they exist) are a by-product that bansturbators are quite happy with as long as they selfishly get what they want. Besides, they all work on insular projects in a small field, so starving kids are someone else's problem.
PC, good spot. Our government wil simultaneously wage imaginary wars against size zeroes/anorexics as well as against the fatties. Because they'd like us all to follow a certain physical ideal... [Godwin's Law].
DP, you know as well as I do that the B's want there to be starving kids (because that's an excuse for food vouchers) as well as fat kids (because that's yet another excuse for food vouchers). Hooray! Bring back ration books! That worked a treat last time we tried it!
Only 20% of the general population smokes, but it is more prevalent in the lower social orders. That would skew your figures somewhat.
That of course is no reason not to tell these prodnosed bansturbators to fuck right off.
Mr C, I hope you are using the term "lower social orders" ironically.
Kind of. I was really meaning that more working class/poor people people smoke (%ge wise) than middle class and up.
I quite agree. Tax should be reduced considerably on tobacco. I a min no way making judgenents on smoking or the less well off. They should be able to do what they like (usual caveats apply).
I think like you, that these bansturbators are making figures up to hopefully gain more power and control over people.
I dare say there are people that don't bother to feed their kids properly, but:
a) they won't all be smokers, and
b) they will be the type of people that don't give a shit about their kids anyway.
It's got nothing to do with not being able to afford it, they just can't be arsed. They wil be represented in every single level of affluence. The rich have the advantage that they just pay a nanny to do it all for them, so their kids won't look neglected like poor kids will.
MrC, sorry to put you on the spot like that, we are now totally agreed.
No problem. I didn't really express myself too well did I?
Lower Social Orders...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2171070/Britains-youngest-mother-Amy-Crowhurst-insists-getting-pregnant-aged-12-smartest-thing-I-did.html
MrC, that's always the problem with doing heavy irony in blog comments.
SB, and who invented the system which encourages this sort of behaviour?
SB, yet again, you display a knee jerk Daily Mail type approach, it would be helpful if you actually explained what you are referring to.
As I have explained dozens of times...
Child Benefit is a flat rate, non taxable non means tested +/- £20 a week per child. That makes little difference to anything. I like Child Benefit.
Child TAX CREDITS is the biggy, that can be £100s a week and is savagely means tested, this is the stupid one which I have never supported, with all the fraud error and admin hassle, costs two or three times as much as Child Benefit.
SB, do you actually know how many girls there are like Amy Crowhurst, or do you only need one? Do you also happen to know how may quangocrats there are drawing over a hundred times as much as the Amys for doing absolutely nothing useful. At least Amy is producing another potential taxpayer to pay your pension.
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