1. Let's take the facts as stated in a recent Evening Standard article as given:
- London's four main airports are running at capacity.
- London businesses want there to be more direct flights from London to the BRIC countries, Brazil, India, China etc.
- People who live near the airports don't want any more flights or runways because of the noise.
- Expanding airport capacity is not only politically difficult but also very expensive and takes years to sort out.
2. What you also have to know is that inbound tourism is hugely important to the London economy, foreign visitors spend £13.6 billion a year in London; and that London airports employ 100,000 people directly and handle about a million aircraft movements a year.
3. What would be nice to know is quite how airline landing slots are allocated, it appears to be a bizarre mixture of old international treaties which nobody dares break; what the government of the day thinks; all sorts of back room deals between airlines, airport operators, regulators, local councils, EU subsidies; and the grey market in slots. But we'll never find out, so we'll have to assume that the system is half-way rational.
4. Heathrow is mainly international stuff, it handles 2.7 million passengers a year to/from the USA and 1.9 million to/from Dubai. But there are plenty of local flights as well (i.e. where a journey by train would be a reasonable alternative): 1.2 million to/from Manchester and Newcastle. And there are also 2.7 million to/from Amsterdam and Paris, not only are those journeys do-able by train but I believe that a lot of those people then take connecting flights to elsewhere.
5. Again, AFAIAA, the reason why people go via Amsterdam or Paris is because of the stupid Air Passenger Duty - you pay a much smaller amount to fly there than you would if you flew direct (there's little or no APD on the main onward flight). Which is a wildly inefficient use of people's time (queuing up twice over) and airline fuel (aeroplanes are quite efficient when they are whizzing along, what wastes fuel is landing and taking off). And it means that those airports earn money which we could be earning instead.
6. So how about we just accept that the total number of aircraft movements is fixed and a given and that air travel does place a burden on others? Aircraft noise is annoying, but whether an aircraft flies over your house on a short haul to Leeds-Bradford airport or to Hong Kong doesn't make any difference.
7. So it strikes me, all they have to do is reduce the number of short haul flights and use those slots for long haul to the BRIC countries instead. Instead of flying people to Amsterdam or Paris who then get on another aeroplane to elsewhere, we can send them straight where they want to go. And instead of ferrying people to and from the rest of England, we can use those slots for taking people on long haul flights etc.
UPDATE: Jorge in the comments points out that a passenger only gets the APD saving if he books two entirely separate flights, e.g. one from London to Paris and then another from Paris to [end destination]. If you book "[End destination] via Paris" then you pay full APD. I would have hoped that was clear anyway.
8. As mentioned, nobody really knows how the airlines end up with the slots they end up with, but the best thing the government could do in the short term is to replace the counter-productive Air Passenger Duty (revenues £3 billion a year) with a flat rate duty of £3,000 per plane per landing/take-off (or whatever is needed to make the figures balance, or maybe £5,000 for Heathrow and £500 for Leeds-Bradford). That would give the airlines every incentive to shift from short to long haul, take away a bit of business from the Dutch and the French, make internal flights more expensive (thus encouraging people to use rail or road) and make international flights cheaper.
9. Pretty much a win-win, in other words.
10. It's a bit like Land Value Tax for the airspace. It makes the airlines pay for the external cost (the noise pollution); it means less fuel per passenger-mile on average; it brings business to the UK; and it's a levy on the monopoly value of the slots - the highest price ever paid for the best slots was $52 million each, i.e. the value of the right to land and take off once, on one day a year, for the foreseeable is £90,000 (and that's the net value after deducting the Air Passenger Duty, which can be over £10,000 per plane if you're going far enough), which amortised over ten years is £9,000 per flight, so a £5,000 per flight duty wouldn't even make a dent in that.
UPDATE: Jorge points out another advantage, it's better use of a slot if a large aeroplane takes hundreds of people a long way instead of a small aeroplane etc. Yes, from the point view of the slot owner (the airline) obviously, but I believe that by and large large aeroplanes make more noise than small ones, so the argument that the per-plane duty is a charge for the noise pollution would be weakened.
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Unfortunately points 4 and 5 are incorrect. I fly to Hong Kong 5-6 times a year.
UK APD is payable to the final destination regardless of the number of transit points, so LHR-HKG is the same as LHR-ZRH-HKG. (There is only one APD exemption, the Continental flight from Belfast to Newark, because otherwise everyone will drive to Dublin.)
In fact, this is just what I did the last time, because Swiss Air was half the price of any of the 5 airlines that fly direct. Remember that the UK APD is the same and I don't pay Swiss APD unless I stay there for >24 hours. It is cheaper because Swiss wants to fill up its planes.
Now in a similar way, BA also wants to fill up its planes. So, if you do want to avoid APD by flying through France or wherever, just book separate tickets and recheck your bags. So I've flown to CDG just to take advantage of a BA sale on CDG-LHR-HKG. Basically BA paid me for flying LHR-CDG-LHR TWICE.
I could have taken the Eurostar to Paris, but the RER from Gare du Nord to CDG (WITH LUGGAGE) fucking sucks. Furthermore, you can't get to everywhere from London, so anyone who wants to fly to N'djamena or some other French-speaking backwater will also fly to Paris first.
Similarly, taking the tube (WITH LUGGAGE) from Euston to Heathrow fucking sucks. BA only flies internationally from LHR and LGW, so if you want Mancunians and Glaswegians to support the national airline, they need to be able to fly to Heathrow or Gatwick (remember that they don't need to change terminal at LHR if taking BA, which makes things rather easier).
When the train connections are actually good, e.g. Brussels to Amsterdam, then flights have been abolished.
Point 8: lots of people know how slots are allocated, but you just need to find them. There are forums where people have posted some info, but some of it you hear through word of mouth.
Now, I agree with LVT for the airspace, but you haven't made the right argument, which is: short-haul flights use smaller aircraft (often 100 people/plane), but take up the same slots as an A380 which can hold 500 people.
coupled with crisis-based fall in air travel ...
you are so rational in your policy-making Mark - you'll be running for Parliament next
oh ...
J, thanks for extra info. By the way, I didn't say Glasgow-London is short haul, that's far enough away to be worth flying rather than taking train.
ND, don't worry, it'll pick up again.
"Similarly, taking the tube (WITH LUGGAGE) from Euston to Heathrow fucking sucks"
If a landing slot tax made short-haul from LHR and LGW more expensive, the rail companies would be incentivised to run trains from the north direct to Paddington or Gatwick and BA would be incentivised to fly long-haul from northern airports.
Bayard,
1) how would a tax on airlines affect railways? Also, not going to happen unless the government does something. There's no capacity or tracks to have trains from the north ending up in Paddington, they would have to take a huge detour through Leamington Spa and Oxford, which means upgrading those routes. The landing slot tax would need to be so high that BA / BAA / Richard Branson (probably the latter since he already runs trains) actually takes over a train line or two. The TOCs and Network Rail just spent millions refurbishing most of the London terminals and are very happy with the current confusing layout of tracks in London.
However, HS2. Some people are talking about renaming BHX "London Birmingham Airport" if that actually gets built. But there will still be no good link between the northern rail terminals and Crossrail (even if Crossrail 2 gets approved!)
2) You've got this the wrong way round, BA has decided that it doesn't want to fly long-haul from northern airports, thus is trying to get the 3rd runway built. Even US airlines are moving to a hub and spoke model and there is barely any airport tax there.
MW,
You think that a train is reasonable from Manchester or Newcastle, BA doesn't, as evidently people still keep taking those flights. But they've don't fly to Bristol and Birmingham any more. Taxing MAN/NCL slots at LHR would just encourage people to fly to Europe and connect long-haul from there. I guess this only matters to the govt insofar as they want to be seen to be supporting BA jobs, as they still get their APD and the foreign airlines still pay UK tax on their UK profits.
There's another political reason flights from London to Europe will keep on happening. Since the UK is not in Schengen, and Eurostar to airport does not count as a transit, Chinese and Indian citizens need to get UK visas or Schengen visas just to take a train across London, Paris etc, The residents of Surrey already oppose an airside train from Heathrow to Gatwick, so anyone silly enough to book a set of flights involving both those airports will continue to be sent back to China if the airline even lets them fly.
J, forget about all this "building new trains and airports" stuff, I'm talking about what we can do NOW to optimise use of what we've got.
"Taxing MAN/NCL slots at LHR would just encourage people to fly to Europe and connect long-haul from there."
yes, that's the point. It's clear that the hub-spoke model is the way forward and that people are happy to change flights anywhere (London or Europe).
So if the end result of this is that people from Newcastle fly direct to Amsterdam or Paris and then connect, instead of flying to London to connect, then this is still a marginal advantage from London's point of view, because it has freed up a slot for DIRECT flights from London to BRICs.
Or to boil that down - London is the HUB, it is not a SPOKE! The worst possible use of London slots is to treat London as the end of a spoke which merely ferries people to e.g. Amsterdam or Paris.
Try to compare like-with-like and concentrate on the issue in hand, which is lack of direct flights from London to BRICs.
OK, we are deviating from the main point of the post here, but just remember that London being a hub also means short-hauls from Europe that connect to the proposed flights to BRICs. This means Paris etc. are treated as spokes, so the same thing applies from the French POV.
One option could be to force Air France to Luton, which would open up a slot at Heathrow. But BA doesn't want to move to Beauvais. Of course BA just wants the 3rd runway to be built.
Anyway, BAA's Heathrow fees are already structured like an LVT, with a user charge based on each passenger's expected use of the facilities, higher charges for landing at unsocial hours, and some noise-based and weight-based charges too. So the government could simply adopt something along those lines, but they want to be seen as being 'green'.
J, it's all very marginal, but let's say that Jorge Airways owns one single slot at Heathrow or Gatwick.
Would you rather use it to land from Newcastle and take off to China; or land from China and take off back to China?
And if we can get Paris to be the spoke and London the hub, well that's a splendid result, surely?
Fair point on user fees, but per-plane-duty is inherently more "green" than per-passenger-duty, I think it was once in the Lib Dems' manifesto.
> so we'll have to assume that the system is half-way rational.
In incorrect assumption.
SB, I doubt whether the system is - especially the rule that says you only keep a slot if you use it 80% of the time, which results in airlines flying empty planes. But for the purposes of this discussion only, let's put that to one side and ASSUME that it is half-way rational.
> short-haul flights use smaller aircraft (often 100 people/plane), but take up the same slots as an A380 which can hold 500 people.
It's rather more complicated than that.
Large planes require longer turbulence clearing gaps. Noisier planes can't land after certain hours. Some airports close for the evening (Geneva), so late planes divert or can't leave. Airports normally have more piers than the runway can cope with etc. etc.
SB, yes, details, details.
As to the "turbulence gap", these big planes leave at gaps of a minute or two, that is the absolute hyper-efficient bare minimum, and even if it's just little Cessnas taking off, you can't get it down to much below a minute or two.
"how would a tax on airlines affect railways?"
By making it more expensive to fly by air, rail becomes more competitive or can charge more, making it worthwhile to run trains direct to Paddington or Gatwick.
"There's no capacity or tracks to have trains from the north ending up in Paddington, they would have to take a huge detour through Leamington Spa and Oxford, which means upgrading those routes."
No they wouldn't, there's an existing route through North London between the WCML and the GW main line via a bit of the North London Line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_London_Line) for Paddington and Thameslink (or whatever trains through the Snow Hill tunnel are called these days) for Gatwick.
Actually if you build parallel runways you can land two similar planes at the same time, and they cancel each others turbulence somewhat.
Some shorthauls are necessary though - they connect towns.
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