tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post8036249888733326044..comments2024-03-05T10:52:24.691+00:00Comments on Mark Wadsworth: "Social care system 'beginning to collapse' as 900 carers quit every day"Mark Wadsworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-26993651926340388482017-04-11T22:09:08.676+01:002017-04-11T22:09:08.676+01:00"An estimated 338,520 adult social care worke... "An estimated 338,520 adult social care workers left their roles in 2015-16. That is equivalent to 928 people leaving their job every day."<br /><br />A statistic which would still be true if every one of those 338,520 care workers walked straight into a job in another care home the next day, but that's not what the Beeb or the Graun want you to think, is it?<br /><br />Lies, damned lies....Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01390261222706764789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-80794769532413182332017-04-11T21:19:35.903+01:002017-04-11T21:19:35.903+01:00MW, I am surprised that anybody lasts as long as o...MW, I am surprised that anybody lasts as long as one year in one call centre. I think I'd rather work in a care home.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-78040119722547906942017-04-11T18:49:00.933+01:002017-04-11T18:49:00.933+01:00Anecdotal. A friend who has worked in one, tells m...Anecdotal. A friend who has worked in one, tells me that Call Centers have an average staff stay period of 1 year. I have no idea if that is true. But given the Guv is rebuilding the northern economy on them, this might be a worry. As it happens, I also overheard a group of call center staff the other day talking about who knew who, from which call center before. I concluded they all went around the local call center circuit in ever decreasing circles! My guess then is care home staff have the same in/out/in paths.MikeWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15455583313857077618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-6793952441300258832017-04-11T18:18:51.851+01:002017-04-11T18:18:51.851+01:00C, also I didn;t specifically say people from the ...C, also I didn;t specifically say people from the EU, I said "foreigners", which is probably as many again as 7%. For sure, these care jobs are NMW jobs, but as we know, a lot of foreigners end up doing NMW jobs in this country.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-37423540823429108432017-04-11T17:03:54.910+01:002017-04-11T17:03:54.910+01:00Sh, yup.
C, I was generalising. The nurse example...Sh, yup.<br /><br />C, I was generalising. The nurse example is anecdotal from a nurse I knew 20 years ago. Official figure for EU citizens in care sector is 7% of total. But either way, it's simply not a long term job for most.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-41637427985146719432017-04-11T16:33:43.151+01:002017-04-11T16:33:43.151+01:00Well it doesn't say how many people are joinin...Well it doesn't say how many people are joining, so the number leaving on its own doesn't mean very much.<br /><br /><br />Anyway, there is a big difference between a nurse and a carer. Nurses all have 3-year degrees these days, whereas it takes about 6 weeks to become a "qualified" carer. The nurse who worked for 13 years is not the problem, she earns a lot more than the actual carers and probably doesn't do much of the actual grunt work, and is under much less pressure or stress compared to her hospital colleagues.<br /><br /><i>lots of nurses do it in between working in hospitals</i><br /><br />I don't think so. Nurses who want to earn more than the pay for their contracted hours, will just work extra locum shifts. It's easy to get these shifts since there are never enough nurses anywhere. Hospital nurses generally do something like 13-hour shifts 2-3 days in a row and are then off for the rest of the week then have to adjust their body clock by 12 hours to do the same thing on nights. Yes ok some are part time and some refuse to work nights but you need to be quite senior and on good terms with your boss to do that. If you mean doing care work when between employers, same thing, why would you take a massive pay cut when locum nursing shifts are always available?<br /><br /><i>I am sure that a large proportion are foreigners who come to the UK to earn good money (by their standards)</i><br /><br />Outside of London, no. They are mostly British, either young people who want to become nurses, or people who aren't able to do an intellectually stimulating job (and I don't mean this in a bad way, being a carer is not very rewarding job, but necessary until we get robots). For one, you can't get a visa to do this sort of job, so the only way a legally resident non-EU citizen could do it (at least before they have stayed for 5 years and are accepted to stay permanently) is if they tagged along with their spouse who is doing a proper job, or their kids managed to get them over (which can't happen any more after 2008). There are some EU people doing care jobs but actually the money isn't good enough to attract them from eastern Europe, they would already be in the UK for some other reason.Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10289346865017922952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-6451622930593790332017-04-11T16:17:29.523+01:002017-04-11T16:17:29.523+01:00Mark
You are an accountant.... like me. So you do...Mark<br /><br />You are an accountant.... like me. So you do 'ratios' or comparisons or rates of change in numbers etc etc. Most people don't. So they get conned by journalists/IFAs (sorry Lola)/politicos etc quoting one big (or small) number on its own.Shineyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13281261419328886986noreply@blogger.com