tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post5692163013273790365..comments2024-03-05T10:52:24.691+00:00Comments on Mark Wadsworth: Aid and DemocracyMark Wadsworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-67383359471703995142014-11-22T22:26:03.751+00:002014-11-22T22:26:03.751+00:00Abolishing farm subsidies would help them a lot mo...Abolishing farm subsidies would help them a lot more!Randomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04445772572707818311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-21994516675125918642014-11-03T10:34:33.199+00:002014-11-03T10:34:33.199+00:00I agree Stilgler.If the gov gets all the money it ...I agree Stilgler.If the gov gets all the money it needs without requiring concent and taxes from the people then democracy is hampered.<br /> I'm pretty sure<br />Foreign aid doesn't really cost the UK anything.<br /> We give in our own currency and that can only be spent in the UK, and as we don't have full employment that is a job creation scheme.<br /> Same for any other country that does not have full employment, as long as the foreign aid is spent on goods and services and not land.Dinerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14632385731642361211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-35692501707395041622014-11-02T18:20:59.553+00:002014-11-02T18:20:59.553+00:00"So democracy would work perfectly well in Ir..."So democracy would work perfectly well in Iran"<br /><br />Democracy has worked perfectly well in Iran. Unfortunately the US didn't like the democratically elected ruler and so installed a despot in his place.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-18078330221636967682014-11-01T22:48:50.149+00:002014-11-01T22:48:50.149+00:00Lola,
I can't remember when I wrote the origi...Lola,<br /><br />I can't remember when I wrote the original article on democracy and power, but if you didn't see it, some people researched when democracy occurs, and it's basically when power shifts from states to individuals.<br /><br />We got real democracy in the UK in the 19th century, and that was the result of the industrial revolution giving people individual power, rather than landowners having power. Democracy in Korea and Taiwan followed a few decades of industrialisation.<br /><br />The problem with some Middle Eastern countries is that a great deal of the wealth is in the land, in the form of oil. Something like 99% of the exports from Iraq are oil. If you look at Egypt, though, it's much more tolerant than most countries, and it also depends more on things like tourism and industry. The protests and overthrow of Mubarak there is a sign of a country moving towards democracy, I think. They might need a few revolutions and get it wrong a few times, but they will get there.Tim Almondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369256383976094670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-40910380325520836612014-11-01T21:21:07.434+00:002014-11-01T21:21:07.434+00:00TS, yes, identities change. Most countries now inc...TS, yes, identities change. Most countries now include many, many former smaller countries or kingdoms or whatever you want to call it. <br /><br />So they have to invent a new more homogeneous national identity to make it stick together. This happened a long time ago with England/Britain (although the Scots and Welsh maintain their sub-identities) and much more recently with Germany and Italy.<br /><br />US states also have their sub-identities but those are highly artificial and very similar to each other anyway.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-9274926530295981862014-11-01T16:17:33.462+00:002014-11-01T16:17:33.462+00:00MW agreed. I was always worried about the America...MW agreed. I was always worried about the Americans maintaining that they were going to bring (as in force on) democracy to Iraq. In any event democracy is just a process. Conceivably you could have liberty without democracy. But in reality it;s the combination of those two, with the third value which is responsibility, that drives successful States. And that, as you say, cannot be forced on anyone.Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-54641519668761588702014-11-01T12:13:09.309+00:002014-11-01T12:13:09.309+00:00Good points, Mark.
Identity can change of course....Good points, Mark.<br /><br />Identity can change of course. The people of Italy were once Romans, then Tuscan or Umbrian, and now Italian. And different people in different countries feel differently, like Texans, Yorkshiremen and Bretons.<br /><br />But even in those groups, there's still a strong sense of being connected to the other groups. Texans and New Yorkers may not agree about much, but they won't fight each other with much more than fists and they will fight together against a common enemy.Tim Almondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369256383976094670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-55413671641407239872014-11-01T11:04:51.537+00:002014-11-01T11:04:51.537+00:00Well yes, obviously.
But as we have discussed bef...Well yes, obviously.<br /><br />But as we have discussed before, democracy only works where all or most people feel as if they are from the same "tribe".<br /><br />(Most of these 'national identities' like English are completely artificial and were imposed top-down to make people easier to rule, but that doesn't actually matter.)<br /><br />So (re)imposing democracy on Italy, Germany, Japan after WW2 was relatively easy. <br /><br />But with the best will in the world, we cannot get democracy to take hold in places where people divide themselves into two or more "tribes" - Northern Ireland, for example.<br /><br />So democracy would work perfectly well in Iran but it will fail in Iraq.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-27695596110364737992014-11-01T10:03:06.153+00:002014-11-01T10:03:06.153+00:00Surely it should read 'spending sprees in Pari...Surely it should read 'spending sprees in Paris, London, New York and Sunderland'?Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.com