tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post5267405847175082710..comments2024-03-05T10:52:24.691+00:00Comments on Mark Wadsworth: This "Sandwich Makers from Hungary" StoryMark Wadsworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-87504810981474990982014-11-13T21:59:24.110+00:002014-11-13T21:59:24.110+00:00Wooo!! A sandwich factory ! It's beyond ridicu...Wooo!! A sandwich factory ! It's beyond ridicule.Voteforhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09232084956094725089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-59773786326186818792014-11-13T20:11:36.926+00:002014-11-13T20:11:36.926+00:00Ok, B, how about the phenomenon of the "Polis...Ok, B, how about the phenomenon of the "Polish plumber"? Lots of plumbers and other tradesmen came here from Poland twenty years ago and quickly gained a reputation for being reliable, inexpensive and cheerful, compared to British plumbers and builders who already had a reputation for being unreliable, dishonest and expensive. Of course there were exceptions, but those reputations wouldn't have arisen amongst private individuals who were hiring tradesmen without a sniff of any Government subsidy, if there wasn't more than a grain of truth in it, especially considering the generally xenophobic nature of the British.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-42510456763612127862014-11-12T21:41:33.373+00:002014-11-12T21:41:33.373+00:00Yes I was around in the 70's, but that was 40+...Yes I was around in the 70's, but that was 40+ years ago. We've had 18 years of Thatcherism in the meantime, and the emasculation of the unions. The working environment of the 70's was a different world away.<br /><br />Here's a thought, how about picking a few large firms known to hire a large proportion of East Europeans in their workforce, and cross reference their turnover v tax payable as a percentage (a before and after kinda thing), and see if there's any discrepancy between then and now? That should put that one to bed, one way or the other.Budvarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01411709142357622721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-65889748411217501352014-11-12T19:47:29.828+00:002014-11-12T19:47:29.828+00:00"but this is patently untrue, as these compan..."but this is patently untrue, as these companies managed fine with Brit labour before."<br /><br />B, were you around in the '70's?Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-24084276592832820032014-11-11T17:44:36.990+00:002014-11-11T17:44:36.990+00:00Not applicable to manual labour like this but ther...Not applicable to manual labour like this but there is a definite tax advantage to bringing someone in short-ish term to do skilled work. For example, we outsource some work to India (mainly stuff that is more convenient for their time zone but also some stuff that could be done here). We brought a guy over for 6 months to learn the ropes, they put him up in corporate housing and gave him subsistence. All of this would be taxed at 13.7% employer's NI and 32 or 42% earned income tax (employee NI + income tax) if a company tried to give it to a local worker but this guy got it all tax free. His much lower salary in India was subject to their tax of course. Now it's all very legitimate business expenses but it does illustrate how the punitive taxation of labour makes it attractive to offshore work. It's not just about lower salaries.<br />On a related note, I think MW wrote something about how easy LVT would be if every company decided to pay their employees in housing - HMRC would become very good at valuations very quickly to figure out the tax due on the benefit in kind!mombershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09650866436764567516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-29939793494678186462014-11-11T12:15:24.778+00:002014-11-11T12:15:24.778+00:00Budvar,
I don't really believe that. I'd ...Budvar,<br /><br />I don't really believe that. I'd welcome someone showing me any documentation to support a claim of tax benefits.<br /><br />Most employers want people with the right skills. They don't really mind where they're from, although they're probably biased in favour of British employees because they know that it'll be simpler. Anyone who thinks (like that MEP) that employers deliberately hire Hungarians is barking.Tim Almondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369256383976094670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-46395033695296309312014-11-11T10:09:37.908+00:002014-11-11T10:09:37.908+00:00Aye. Consider how it is here, when we are only 1 h...Aye. Consider how it is here, when we are only 1 hour twenty minutes, average, away from Poland!(103 Km)<br /><br />They come here nick all our jobs, and go back home every night and pay Polish rent, and Polish shop prices! NOT forgetting, Polish TAX!<br /><br />Furor Teutonicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856575077967523322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-31238261030418642302014-11-11T09:58:12.713+00:002014-11-11T09:58:12.713+00:00Well if the worker is moving too and from , and sp...Well if the worker is moving too and from , and spending the pay in a different country, with say half the cost of living of the UK , then the worker from that country is being offered twice the pay than the uk worker is being offered in spending power, for the same work. Thats a big difference in motivation to take the work. Say £14 compared to £7.Dinerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14632385731642361211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-75752538385907433072014-11-11T07:04:22.033+00:002014-11-11T07:04:22.033+00:00As some people have pointed out, nobody is going t...As some people have pointed out, nobody is going to apply for a job now that starts in 2016.<br /><br />So this looks like PR job. The company is trying to proactively counter criticism that it only recruits abroad, which is what it was going to do anyway.<br /><br />As well as the explanation above, does the company have to pay the pension contributions of foreign workers? Also foreign workers will less likely be looking to buy a house or raise a family here so are not so bothered by low pay or lack of prospects.Rich Teehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14037296506942507747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-67772580188039521502014-11-11T00:32:13.936+00:002014-11-11T00:32:13.936+00:00This is something that has been bugging me for som...This is something that has been bugging me for sometime, and that is why do companies prefer to take on immigrants over local people?<br /><br />I've heard all the bollox about Brits are just too lazy or stupid to do the job etc, but this is patently untrue, as these companies managed fine with Brit labour before.<br /><br />I thought, there has to be some financial advantage to employing a bunch of people who mostly don't speak English or very little and all that entails on the production line.<br /><br />I was speaking to a retired company director this past week, and he said and I quote.. "The government used to subsidise every immigrant worker I employed at about a £1 an hour. This isn't a direct payment, they give you a discount on your (I think he said Capitol gains tax?) tax bill at the end of the year". Now if some of these are working 70 hrs a week, and you employ 100 or more of them, that's some serious wedge we're taking here.<br /><br />Budvarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01411709142357622721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-62759941515141246252014-11-10T23:56:47.099+00:002014-11-10T23:56:47.099+00:00Mark,
Indeed.
Ian,
Cheap labour bastards? Isn&#...Mark,<br /><br />Indeed.<br /><br />Ian,<br /><br />Cheap labour bastards? Isn't everyone one of them? I didn't see many people giving my mate more money to build PCs when Dell started making them for less in China.Tim Almondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369256383976094670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-32244751422414687512014-11-10T23:32:37.001+00:002014-11-10T23:32:37.001+00:00From the link page -
"“However, we will also...From the link page -<br /><br />"“However, we will also be considering applicants from further afield, including Hungary, and will be conducting interviews with suitable candidates in due course."<br /><br />Only by the Labour candidate threatening to do a UKIP on them by exposing them as cheap labour bastards have they agreed to hire a stall at a local jobs fair.Ian Hillshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12619977137431223237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-1867477679975432212014-11-10T23:15:50.596+00:002014-11-10T23:15:50.596+00:00"It is doubly galling that the taxes paid by ..."It is doubly galling that the taxes paid by the new Hungarian employees will subsidise the unemployment benefit of the ex-Corby employees." Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.com