tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post447807539027768300..comments2024-03-05T10:52:24.691+00:00Comments on Mark Wadsworth: Covid seems to go in four-month wavesMark Wadsworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-11187018675246454582021-11-25T19:06:59.693+00:002021-11-25T19:06:59.693+00:00B, your answer to 3 is good news, not as good as v...B, your answer to 3 is good news, not as good as vaccine effectiveness, but hey.<br /><br />Re "No." yes of course, Bingle it.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-30088543359090644102021-11-25T17:30:03.245+00:002021-11-25T17:30:03.245+00:00Well no. Having failed to think of any reason outs...Well no. Having failed to think of any reason outside an epidemiological one of which I am unaware for the four-month cycle, I was concentrating on why the deaths appear to have fallen off faster than the cases, point no. 3, rather than point no. 2. (BTW, do you think the abbreviation for "number" is "no." because it's actually abbreviating "numero"?)Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-81458375994907117642021-11-25T15:08:09.303+00:002021-11-25T15:08:09.303+00:00B, none of which explains the worldwide four month...B, none of which explains the worldwide four month cycle...Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-78386138595232533782021-11-25T13:54:31.765+00:002021-11-25T13:54:31.765+00:00I'm not fussed, either and got my jabs on the ...I'm not fussed, either and got my jabs on the same basis as you. I still think that the whole inoculation programme was based on a desire by the government to be seen to be doing something and if it meant they could shovel squillions of public money at some of their sponsors whilst doing it, so much the better.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-63114767044360630062021-11-24T14:16:47.949+00:002021-11-24T14:16:47.949+00:00B, see if you can find some.
Not that I'm fu...B, see if you can find some. <br /><br />Not that I'm fussed, I had my jabs on the assumption that they give you 'some' protection, don't care how much. See also 'wearing a seatbelt'.<br /><br />If it turns out they make no difference, well hey, I've made bigger mistakes.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-34181617703804149552021-11-24T13:35:05.697+00:002021-11-24T13:35:05.697+00:00I am sure there are reliable stats showing the eff...I am sure there are reliable stats showing the efficacy of vaccination, just not the ones you quoted, for the reasons I gave.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-48126050382494683362021-11-24T10:16:57.701+00:002021-11-24T10:16:57.701+00:00B, the stats show the vaccines to be remarkably ef...B, the stats show the vaccines to be remarkably effective against reducing deaths, by a factor of 32. Similar exercises in the US show the same.<br /><br />For sure, we can quibble over definitions, but however biased, they must have some effect. Even if they exaggerate by a factor of ten (for some ghastly conspiratorial reason), that's still a factor of 3, i.e. your chance of dying of it/with it is reduced by two-thirds, which seems good enough to me.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-8596548497849425332021-11-24T09:08:48.595+00:002021-11-24T09:08:48.595+00:00Mark, I wasn't referring to the stats that are...Mark, I wasn't referring to the stats that are the subject of your post, I was referring to the stats you linked to with "here are the official stats", which was not about waves, but whether vaccination made you less likely to die and those stats will always be unreliable, given the metric of "death with", not "death from". As I pointed out, you can very easily die with a cold, but you are very unlikely to die from one.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-77091130932679047672021-11-23T10:11:28.905+00:002021-11-23T10:11:28.905+00:00B, you didn't read or understand the first par...B, you didn't read or understand the first paragraph of my post.<br /><br />Perhaps the official stats overstate covid cases or deaths by 20% or understate them by 10% or whatever. And we can argue about definitions which are probably different in each country. Don't care.<br /><br /><i>For the purposes of recognising trends, it doesn't matter if the numbers are wrong, as long as they are consistently wrong. As long as the approach to counting and reporting is consistent*, it will show the trends, up or down.</i><br /><br />* Obvs, the stats people were finding their feet in the first wave, the case to death ratio is inconsistent with later waves, but it shows the timing, which fits in with the four month pattern.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-42228323803187105522021-11-22T18:46:25.296+00:002021-11-22T18:46:25.296+00:00"Who do you think is claiming this is a "..."Who do you think is claiming this is a "hoax or planned"?"<br /><br />You, you use the term "plandemic".<br /><br />"On those who've made million as you say in whatever way, what do you mean by the term "stupid"?<br /><br />What it normally means. <br /><br />"Which people do you think want to "believe in the plan/hoax theory"?"<br /><br />The people, like you, who claim to beleive in the plan/hoax theory.<br /><br />"All we can say about any of it is that government is killing more people than if they'd made no interventions, in spite of them probably genuinely wanting to 'help'."<br /><br />You don't know that. Nobody knows that, as there are no control groups and no-one ever knows for certain "what would have happened"<br /><br />"@Bayard, a virus only has a single so called wave. Spread over multiple seasons."<br /><br />That makes many waves. A wave is a form on a graph. When that graph has a form that includes multiple peaks and troughs, then it shows multiple waves, regardless of the cause of those peaks.<br /><br />"Sure, you can simply dismiss official stat's, say they are biased by Big Pharma."<br /><br />The stats are unreliable not because they have been biased by Big Pharma, but because of the definition of "death with COVID" instead of "death by COVID". The only reliable stats are those for "deaths from all causes". If they are much higher than the average for the time of year, it's a fairly safe bet that the excess deaths are caused by COVID, if they are not, then it's just guessing. I'm sure you could come up with some pretty alarming statistics if you started recording all the people who died "with" that well-known coronavirus, the common cold.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-86317855579441046712021-11-22T13:30:45.651+00:002021-11-22T13:30:45.651+00:00@MW my kids had covid late last year and in Sept. ...@MW my kids had covid late last year and in Sept. Goodness knows why I didn't get it then. I'm pretty sure I had covid toe in April 2020 too. I got my jabs in Feb and April so likely worn off a bit. It was very mild sore eyes and elevated heart rate for a day or two. I'm glad I don't wear a tin hat and got the jabs so I didn't have to find out what unprotected covid is like. Anyone who actively chooses not to get a jab is beyond selfish. It's such a pity that the internet has resulted in so many people falling for conspiracy theories.<br /><br />I note @RS that you're also in the Stop the Steal camp, we're almost at conspiracy theory bingo with you here :-)mombershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09650866436764567516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-39770341127767145372021-11-22T13:21:31.757+00:002021-11-22T13:21:31.757+00:00RS, neither of us are experts. I am quite sure tha...RS, neither of us are experts. I am quite sure that the vaccines "help" in mitigating [whatever]. A bit? A lot? No idea, don't care. So I happily had both jabs like a good citizen. <br /><br />Like seatbelts in a car, they reduce the risk of death or serious injury. By how much? Not the foggiest, don't care, I always buckle up, even in the back seat.<br /><br />Not getting a fucking booster jab though, I've had Covid and both jabs and that's enough for now.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-86699868256947948332021-11-22T13:16:47.574+00:002021-11-22T13:16:47.574+00:00@MW the Vax only reduces the effects of symptoms. ...@MW the Vax only reduces the effects of symptoms. It does not provide immunity nor reduce transmission. This was in the design and is widely accepted scientifically.<br /><br />@Mombers, the plandemic has really scared you I can see. When I met you 8 years ago you came across as an intelligent and courageous man.Robin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648517992918303543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-81997915589979757962021-11-22T12:24:55.911+00:002021-11-22T12:24:55.911+00:00M, I thought you had Covid a while ago - or was th...M, I thought you had Covid a while ago - or was that another family member? A bit worrying if you had the jabs and then Covid :-(Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-41321936741901196792021-11-22T11:11:33.387+00:002021-11-22T11:11:33.387+00:00@RS look at the company you keep. I'm sorry bu...@RS look at the company you keep. I'm sorry but I can't take you more seriously than other tin hat aficionadosmombershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09650866436764567516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-48238309744767254362021-11-22T10:55:23.668+00:002021-11-22T10:55:23.668+00:00@mombers the allegation of 'conspiracy theory&...@mombers the allegation of 'conspiracy theory' is one often used as a straw man. You should know better young man.<br /><br />Why not look at the ideas being discussed rather than make out the idea is equivalent to proposing the holocaust never happened. That would be the more honourable approach and would shine a better light on your character. Robin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648517992918303543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-33174577195621105332021-11-22T10:26:54.724+00:002021-11-22T10:26:54.724+00:00LOL this is great conspiracy theory entertainment ...LOL this is great conspiracy theory entertainment for a Monday morning... There's one in every village<br /><br />I had covid last month, would not have liked to find out what it would have been like barebackedmombershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09650866436764567516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-73040373319322630452021-11-21T21:18:10.509+00:002021-11-21T21:18:10.509+00:00B: " there seems to be precious little eviden...B: <i>" there seems to be precious little evidence in the statistics that vaccination protects anyone at all"</i><br /><br />Here are the <a href="https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021#age-standardised-mortality-rates-by-vaccination-status" rel="nofollow">official stats</a>.<br /><br />Sure, you can simply dismiss official stat's, say they are biased by Big Pharma. And it is just a numbers thing; the efficacy might well be only be 50%; with mutations, efficacy wears off etc etc. <br /><br />But they seem to be helping, seeing as the aim all along was to 'flatten the curve'.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-39952450016643060152021-11-21T20:58:01.581+00:002021-11-21T20:58:01.581+00:00Of course, this piece is only opinion.
Judge for ...Of course, this piece is only opinion.<br /><br />Judge for yourself<br /><br />https://trialsitenews.com/the-original-antigenic-sin-covid-19-vaccination-and-sub-optimal-initial-immune-priming-deranges-the-antibody-cytotoxic-t-cell-immune-response/Robin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648517992918303543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-50544161231861178072021-11-21T19:33:59.999+00:002021-11-21T19:33:59.999+00:00@Bayard, a virus only has a single so called wave....@Bayard, a virus only has a single so called wave. Spread over multiple seasons.<br /><br />We do not need evidence in the stats that the clot shot protects anyone.<br /><br />We know for certain that it has little efficacy today, compared to the wild claims at the beginning (95%, which should have been seen as a red flag back then, given no vax has ever had more than 50% efficacy historically)<br /><br />Certainly it reduces symptoms in the 'lucky ones' who are vulnerable and it works for. But it has no effect on immunity(some are saying now that the fully vaxed(whatever that means) are more likely to be more vulnerable), No effect on tramsmission(again some are saying they are bigger transmitters).<br /><br />But wait! There's a global collective witch hunt under way to make the unvaxed the culprits. How many times across history have we seen this. While the majority looked on as cowards until the waves were lapping at their doors.Robin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648517992918303543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-31830928359307088722021-11-21T19:26:44.861+00:002021-11-21T19:26:44.861+00:00Bayard, I hear you.
Who do you think is claiming...Bayard, I hear you. <br /><br />Who do you think is claiming this is a "hoax or planned"?<br /><br />On those who've made million as you say in whatever way, what do you mean by the term "stupid"?<br /><br />Which people do you think want to "believe in the plan/hoax theory"?<br /><br />All we can say about any of it is that government is killing more people than if they'd made no interventions, in spite of them probably genuinely wanting to 'help'.<br /><br />Thoughts?Robin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648517992918303543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-90223051548276490792021-11-21T19:16:29.274+00:002021-11-21T19:16:29.274+00:00GC, there seems to be precious little evidence in ...GC, there seems to be precious little evidence in the statistics that vaccination protects anyone at all. One would expect the number of deaths to decline versus the number of cases even without vaccination as each wave of infected people are less and less vulnerable, the more vulnerable having already died in the earlier waves.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-34228968694644066942021-11-21T19:09:17.412+00:002021-11-21T19:09:17.412+00:00RS, I don't understand why people assume that,...RS, I don't understand why people assume that, simply because a lot of people have made a lot of money out of the pandemic, this means it was all planned/a hoax. The people who have made billions aren't stupid. If they were, they wouldn't be where they are today. They can see an opportunity to make a quick buck when it comes along and they have the resources to make out like bandits. I can see why people would want to believe in the plan/hoax theory, but that doesn't make it remotely convincing, no matter how much cherry-picking they do.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-24461974763779088342021-11-21T08:39:13.908+00:002021-11-21T08:39:13.908+00:00George. It was a speculative comment I'd read....George. It was a speculative comment I'd read.<br /><br />My point is that the data is now so corrupt and censored, we'll never know how many of our children government have killed.<br /><br />Similarly with the political consensus on climate change.<br /><br />And the stealth tax from the recent global 'stiumlus'. Did you know that 4 out of 10 dollars ever created by the Federal Reserve where created in the last 18 months. If nothing is this is how corrupt the plandemic is.Robin Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648517992918303543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-73689984732490955022021-11-21T08:32:08.701+00:002021-11-21T08:32:08.701+00:00GC, even if the claim is true, then your explanati...GC, even if the claim is true, then your explanation is of course the correct one. <br /><br />Either way, it has nothing all to do with the four month waves.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.com