tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post41729073092050613..comments2024-03-05T10:52:24.691+00:00Comments on Mark Wadsworth: "No deal is better than a bad deal"Mark Wadsworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-34868270855061872832017-04-08T16:08:32.866+01:002017-04-08T16:08:32.866+01:00"Then there are some rules which most would a...<b>"Then there are some rules which most would agree are broadly sensible, like cars having to pass MOT or not putting lead paint on kids' toys. <br /><br />You can call these "non-tariff barriers" if you like, as far as I am concerned, they are just "broadly sensible rules"."</b><br /><br />John is right: regulations that block imports of a certain kind *ARE* non-tariff barriers. The entire reason the EU has all these regulations that Brexiters love to deride is simply because for the countries of Europe to be able to trade with each other freely they have to use the same set of "broadly sensible rules".<br /><br />This is also the reason why removing EU regulation is unlikely to result in any big changes in the standards to which small domestic appliances like vacuum cleaners are produced - because the manufacturers will still want to be able to sell the same products in Europe and it won't be economical to produce a separate product for sale in the UK only. Anyone hoping that we will have more powerful vacuum cleaners or whatever post-brexit is unlikely to see their wishes come true.Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-4912066439341681112017-04-08T10:04:23.673+01:002017-04-08T10:04:23.673+01:00JB, not really.
Extreme non-tariff barriers are t...JB, not really.<br /><br />Extreme non-tariff barriers are things like quotas.<br /><br />If national standards operate so as to exclude stuff from other countries (by accident or by design), then those are also NTBs.<br /><br />Then there are some rules which most would agree are broadly sensible, like cars having to pass MOT or not putting lead paint on kids' toys. <br /><br />You can call these "non-tariff barriers" if you like, as far as I am concerned, they are just "broadly sensible rules".<br /><br />Then there will be some UK national standards which are far too strict and ought to be loosened or scrapped anyway, for the overall benefit of everybody.Contact YPPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08638179351162537562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-70983559713004187082017-04-08T09:19:06.542+01:002017-04-08T09:19:06.542+01:00"We have our own rules on consumer protection..."We have our own rules on consumer protection, health and safety, farming and so on, if goods and services comply with these, they can be imported."<br /><br />You realise this is the literal definition of what "non-tariff barriers" are, right?john bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13784096180652522939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-7966793059980356832017-04-06T09:37:40.469+01:002017-04-06T09:37:40.469+01:00"it's not the Act itself, but the way tha..."it's not the Act itself, but the way that activist judges interpret it."<br /><br />If the judges are "activist" their activity is on behalf of the state, IMHO. You don't get much more "Establishment" than a judge. How many terrorists did the Home Office have trouble deporting? Two or three, AFAICR, how much fuss was made about it and how much did it turn popular opinion, including your own, against the Human Rights Act and the ECHR? What government is going to welcome a shackle on its activities like the ECHR, let alone a Tory one?<br /><br />"again, how will neutral third countries - let alone the Irish - judge that sort of behaviour?"<br /><br />For the sort of spiteful federalist behaviour that it is, probably, but do the eurocrats care?Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01390261222706764789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-9315580463021190932017-04-06T08:31:39.637+01:002017-04-06T08:31:39.637+01:00MW.I think tariffs should disappear as far as all ...MW.I think tariffs should disappear as far as all developed economies are concerned. I'm assuming the UK position if sanctions are imposed would be to impose similar sanctions. Obviously they might not, I don't think these possible scenarios have been 'openly' discussed.paulc156https://www.blogger.com/profile/12412449043451685404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-39223786189423893832017-04-06T08:00:37.344+01:002017-04-06T08:00:37.344+01:00PC, if you are not in favour of tariffs, then you ...PC, if you are not in favour of tariffs, then you ought to be against the UK imposing them, surely?<br /><br />Your earlier statement <i>"Tariffs will be incident on the UK if the EU impose them and we don't"</i> suggested that you wanted the UK to have tariffs. Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-78035075968114056882017-04-05T21:54:51.009+01:002017-04-05T21:54:51.009+01:00B. Agreed
L. Yeh I see the protectionist angle. Th...B. Agreed<br />L. Yeh I see the protectionist angle. Though floating exchange rates will mitigate most of that. <br />MW. I am a unilateralist and I am not in favour of tariffs (in developed economies at any rate.)paulc156https://www.blogger.com/profile/12412449043451685404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-84409386566896825272017-04-05T21:41:33.127+01:002017-04-05T21:41:33.127+01:00PC, it's not the Act itself, but the way that ...PC, it's not the Act itself, but the way that activist judges interpret it.<br /><br />Either you are on favour of tariffs or you aren't. I'm not. It's like nuclear weapons, if you are in favour, you have to accept that Iran, North Korea ans Pakistan can have them. If you are against, you must be in favour of unilateral disarmament (which I am).<br /><br />B, again, how will neutral third countries - let alone the Irish - judge that sort of behaviour?<br /><br />L, agreed.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-26239021904335174872017-04-05T20:59:33.712+01:002017-04-05T20:59:33.712+01:00"A lot of those are Irish citizens, who AFAIA..."A lot of those are Irish citizens, who AFAIAA have always been treated pretty much on a par with UK passport holders"<br /><br />I rather suspect that the EU are going to at least threaten to prevent Eire returning to the close ties it had with the UK pre-EU.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01390261222706764789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-53562096056356361592017-04-05T20:10:48.297+01:002017-04-05T20:10:48.297+01:00P156. No. Tariffs are generally incident on the ci...P156. No. Tariffs are generally incident on the citizens of the state that applies them. They are protectionist measures designed to keep prices high.Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-86361123207912869612017-04-05T19:07:40.258+01:002017-04-05T19:07:40.258+01:00P156, I think the whole human rights/terrorist dep...P156, I think the whole human rights/terrorist deportation fuss was a sham, designed to turn people against the ECHR and the Human Rights Act. A few (show?) cases were blown up out of all proportion, rather in the way that the Daily Mail Romainian-asylum-seeker-single-mother-with-ten-children-on-£1000-a-week-benefits sort of story is used to discredit all Romanians, asylum seekers, single mothers and those on benefits using a single (probably isolated if it existed at all) example.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01390261222706764789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-90110856852469285142017-04-05T18:57:56.917+01:002017-04-05T18:57:56.917+01:00Not sure why the human rights act is an issue at a...Not sure why the human rights act is an issue at all. France and Italy had no problems sending terrorist suspects packing. We chose to interpret the act differently, our problem, not the act.<br />L. Tariffs will be incident on the UK if the EU impose them and we don't. paulc156https://www.blogger.com/profile/12412449043451685404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-34807856030647935632017-04-05T15:38:30.837+01:002017-04-05T15:38:30.837+01:00Quite brilliant article from MW - really very, ver...Quite brilliant article from MW - really very, very good. Well done! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06234426239124672535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-35554592601605493292017-04-05T14:15:17.821+01:002017-04-05T14:15:17.821+01:00Surely an auspicious organisation like the EU woul...Surely an auspicious organisation like the EU wouldn't have a criminally underfunded pension scheme??? If so, who is the Philip Green in this case who can be pressurised to step in instead of it being socialised?mombershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09650866436764567516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-83433770549117816122017-04-05T12:27:19.238+01:002017-04-05T12:27:19.238+01:00Yup. My thoughts. Exactly.
Re point (5). Those t...Yup. My thoughts. Exactly.<br />Re point (5). Those tariffs will cost the EU more than they cost us. All such tariffs are incident upon the Bloc or state that applies them as they result in higher prices for their citizens. Why? Because that's the bloody point! See CAP and French farmers; i.e. blatant protectionism and high price maintenance. <br />Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.com