tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post2438965356001482663..comments2024-03-05T10:52:24.691+00:00Comments on Mark Wadsworth: Some days, I really do despise the BBCMark Wadsworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-78546974166477643832016-04-21T06:49:21.835+01:002016-04-21T06:49:21.835+01:00B. See if you can get through this
https://youtu.b...B. See if you can get through this<br />https://youtu.be/-i5Ohhbhkn4<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-78777617739812557812016-04-21T06:03:17.354+01:002016-04-21T06:03:17.354+01:00B. See if you can get through this
https://youtu.b...B. See if you can get through this<br />https://youtu.be/-i5Ohhbhkn4<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-42581480178936254772016-04-18T19:06:25.965+01:002016-04-18T19:06:25.965+01:00Semantics, or a point of certainty is being approa...Semantics, or a point of certainty is being approached? Semantics, or denial? Semantics, or the thing one buried deep as a child is emerging?<br /><br />Rant if you want to. I'm going to continue my scientific analysis. Are you willing enough to come with me?<br /><br />Yes? Then you will need to forget about your god your truth whatever you want to call it.<br /><br />That takes courage because few have tried and will close ranks against you if they spot it. Its unknown ground beyond the mainstream paradigm. Scary.<br /><br />Much safer to stay in ones belief system. Its a protectionism of course. And the price of that protection?<br /><br />Your freedom. Or taxation. Whatever your despotic father figure looks like.<br /><br />Coming?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-29153723075818203922016-04-18T17:46:10.521+01:002016-04-18T17:46:10.521+01:00Everyone might conceivably be held to have a god, ...Everyone might conceivably be held to have a god, but not everyone has a God and what is truth?.... but now we descend into arguing about semantics, and that way lies ranting and madness. I bid you good night.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-14716424769944096432016-04-18T15:23:28.138+01:002016-04-18T15:23:28.138+01:00Everyone has a God. Yours might be LVT I'm not...Everyone has a God. Yours might be LVT I'm not sure. The question is, does your god possess you. That is, is what you believe is truth, better than what others believe is truth. And does it make you look outside for blame or in the mirror. Clearly on this post you are looking at religion and not in the mirror at your own god. Is that a satisfactory help? If yes, then by all means continue your questionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-18945015568390324792016-04-18T14:50:50.927+01:002016-04-18T14:50:50.927+01:00"B. What about "the same as do atheists,..."B. What about "the same as do atheists, democrats, socialists, libertarians, Marxists - abandon principle values when looking in the mirror""<br /><br />Dunno, is that an answer to "So why did Salman Rushdie have to go into hiding?"? If so, fair enough.<br /><br />"Or is your god better than their god. Is it only Bayard who has truth?" <br /><br />Who says I even have a god? Everyone has truth, but no-one has a monopoly on it.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-28079403667404221982016-04-18T13:14:41.286+01:002016-04-18T13:14:41.286+01:00B. What about "the same as do atheists, democ...B. What about "the same as do atheists, democrats, socialists, libertarians, Marxists - abandon principle values when looking in the mirror"<br /><br />Or is your god better than their god. Is it only Bayard who has truth? Wadsworth told me had "truth" with an angry militant face once at the pub, when I brought LVT under serious scrutiny. Are you aware you might be just as possessed as an islamist?<br /><br />Whatever your world view, religious or secular, if its a delusion or limited in any worldly way, what use is it?<br /><br />Worse, if it possesses you, you and your family are in a whole world of trouble...<br /><br />Because you won't be aware any more of the harm you are proposing is forced onto othersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-78271952370181199392016-04-15T20:43:59.337+01:002016-04-15T20:43:59.337+01:00"So why did Salman Rushdie have to go into hi..."So why did Salman Rushdie have to go into hiding?"<br /><br />Probably because very few Muslims obey everything the Koran says, just as very few Christians or Jews* obey everything the Bible says they should do.<br /><br />* to ward off pedantry, I do know that the Jews don't use the New Testament.<br />Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01390261222706764789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-81285104575511576242016-04-15T07:42:25.475+01:002016-04-15T07:42:25.475+01:00The constant assertion of belief is an indication ...The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-19535715956883443662016-04-14T14:01:26.940+01:002016-04-14T14:01:26.940+01:00@"Yet you pride your atheism."
Who are y...@"Yet you pride your atheism."<br />Who are you talking to? I am a Christian<br />@"Define "massive scale"?"<br />Apologies I should have said large numbers over 1000, pedantism IMHO in this case is not really a good debating point.<br />@"Western democracy has killed hundreds of thousands recently."<br />The hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq and Afghanistan were partly killed by Islamic fundamentalists.<br />For example Abdul-Majid al-Khoei was not killed by the west.<br />I am not sure how you can say what percentage was killed by which ideology.<br />Would you say that everyone killed in World War II was killed by western democracy?L fairfaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12274756119129254373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-36203370463334037822016-04-14T12:25:21.579+01:002016-04-14T12:25:21.579+01:00Define "massive scale"?
Western democra...Define "massive scale"?<br /><br />Western democracy has killed hundreds of thousands recently. Are you saying "our God is better than their god" so we're justified? That would be rent seeking writ large and on a metaphysical level. Yet you pride your atheism.<br /><br />Are you guys willing to accept the possibility that your ideologies possess you as much as theirs, secular and religious?<br /><br />For example, you keep implying and I've heard you state explicitly "but we have truth!" as would every fake religion.<br /><br />Are you willing to consider this. Or is that 'forbidden'?<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-62749316239115286032016-04-14T09:26:59.912+01:002016-04-14T09:26:59.912+01:00Mark, I've read Sobers comment again and it is...Mark, I've read Sobers comment again and it is the usual case of innuendo via an "if...then" sentence that then implies that the "if" is more or less a certainty, followed by an unsupported assertion about "a pretty large % of them aren't 'that' outraged by anyone who does decide to do so." What's a "large %" in this context? The implication is that it is 99.999%, the figure quoted above. This is followed by the argument that, since extremist behaviour exists within the Muslim community, that proves that Muslims aren't prepared to shop extremists. He finishes with "Islamic terrorism could not flourish without the backing of a sympathetic or non-judgemental larger section of society behind it." which is a bald assertion without any justification. Did the Baader Meinhof gang require "the backing of a sympathetic or non-judgemental larger section of (West German) society" or the Black Panthers require the same in the USA? <br /><br />Now go through those points above and replace "Muslim" with "chartered accountant" and "extremist" by "fraudulent" as you asked me to do and ask yourself if they are a true reflection of how things are in the world of accountancy.<br /><br />"Maybe we can question if it's a bit exaggerated, but when 34% of people say they wouldn't report someone going off to fight with ISIS, I'd suggest there's a lot of people who would turn a blind eye to someone planning terrorism."<br /><br />That's a bit like saying that people who wouldn't report someone for a bit of tax fiddling are prepared to turn a blind eye to murder.<br /><br />"It is however scary that 23% want Sharia law."<br /><br />Is that 23% want Sharia law instead of British law, or 23% want Sharia law under British law, with British law taking precedence? As you can appreciate, there's quite a fundamental difference between the two. ISTR there is even something in the Koran to say that Muslims should obey the laws of the country in which they live.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-90510163786074202822016-04-14T09:07:50.678+01:002016-04-14T09:07:50.678+01:00This is relevant
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...This is relevant <br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2058935/Police-advise-Christian-preachers-to-leave-Muslim-area-of-Birmingham.html<br />"The evangelists say they were threatened with arrest for committing a "hate crime" and were told they risked being beaten up if they returned."<br />Imagine if that happened to Muslims somewhere else in the UK? With exception of the EDL heartland of parts of Luton I would think that it is almost impossible.L fairfaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12274756119129254373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-85322277872082255032016-04-14T07:51:15.833+01:002016-04-14T07:51:15.833+01:00Bayard,
Maybe we can question if it's a bit ex...Bayard,<br />Maybe we can question if it's a bit exaggerated, but when 34% of people say they wouldn't report someone going off to fight with ISIS, I'd suggest there's a lot of people who would turn a blind eye to someone planning terrorism.<br /><br />Robin Smith,<br />Whether you agree with Afghanistan or Iraq, those were democratically made decisions.Tim Almondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369256383976094670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-75980331390041361382016-04-14T07:36:58.167+01:002016-04-14T07:36:58.167+01:00What Sobers conveniently forgot to mention was how...What Sobers conveniently forgot to mention was how to look in the mirror, before pointing at what he fears most.<br /><br />That is, doing the same kind of thing which is causing all the problems he complains about.<br /><br />A cosy delusion. Incoherence.<br /><br />Its how all ideologies capture us. Religious or secular is not important. Christian Atheists tend to be the biggest victims of this psychopathy. Given its an unconscious activity they;re not even aware of it.<br /><br />Sobers is a good case history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-90135132309124564292016-04-14T07:12:56.011+01:002016-04-14T07:12:56.011+01:00B: it is ridiculous to say that all Muslims are e...B: <i> it is ridiculous to say that all Muslims are either suicide bombers or know of one.</i><br /><br />I don't think any commenter here said anything of the sort. Try reading Sobers' comment properly and applying it to chartered accountants. Or Sikhs. Or Plymouth Brethren.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-32274431732987567542016-04-13T21:43:57.384+01:002016-04-13T21:43:57.384+01:00MW look in the mirror and do the same?
Stigler, a...MW look in the mirror and do the same?<br /><br />Stigler, are you excluded atheist christians from you analysis. Who've murdered 100,000's in the name of democracy over recent years. An no one seems to think its a problem. Spooky. Scratch between the surface a bit and see where it leads you.<br /><br />Am I still being moderated for questioning your gods?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-56354282161434261432016-04-13T21:24:54.294+01:002016-04-13T21:24:54.294+01:00B, stop being so bloody politically correct all th...B, stop being so bloody politically correct all the time. Talk to people, scratch beneath the surface a bit, see where it leads you. Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-87656864168575085422016-04-13T07:29:41.465+01:002016-04-13T07:29:41.465+01:00S, good summary. S, good summary. Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-42082201683459571572016-04-12T17:51:06.204+01:002016-04-12T17:51:06.204+01:00"It looks to me like the context of this is t..."It looks to me like the context of this is that there is a lot of explicit and implicit anti-Muslim stuff in the media these days, probably because stuff about Muslims sells. "<br />What anti Muslim stuff? Compared to the press about the EDL who IIRC have not killed anyone it is quite positive.L fairfaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12274756119129254373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-67293601779554770212016-04-12T17:13:13.953+01:002016-04-12T17:13:13.953+01:00"But all of this is missing the point, which ..."But all of this is missing the point, which is this pretence that despite polls showing Muslim attitudes, that they aren't."<br /><br />It looks to me like the context of this is that there is a lot of explicit and implicit anti-Muslim stuff in the media these days, probably because stuff about Muslims sells. There's a lot of Muslim terrorism going on (not going into the whys and wherefores) so people are interested in all things Muslim, especially if they are showing the Muslims to be i) different (so that non-Muslim readers/viewers can disassociate themselves more easily) and ii) bad (so that people don't have to think too hard as to why there might be so much Muslim terrorism going on). So when stats like the ones in the post come out, the Beeb feels it has to prove itself on the other side to the antis, despite thae fact that its efforts are largely counter-productive. Being a cynic, I am tempted to think that their efforts are supposed to be counter-productive.<br /><br />"Most moderate Christians wouldn't throw a 'how daw you' card out if you said that lots of Christians are homophobic bigots."<br /><br />Well, since the poll wasn't sorted into moderate and fundamental and since it is likely that fundamental types are more likely to respond to polls (and comment on blogs for that matter), it being important to them to get their views out there, where the moderates don't really care, we don't really know if moderate Muslims wouldn't agree with you if you said that lots of their co-religionists were homophobic bigots. Well, they would struggle to say the opposite with a straight face. However, "lots of" doesn't necessarily equal 52%. Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-82341741628288067802016-04-12T13:50:57.469+01:002016-04-12T13:50:57.469+01:00Ok, data for 'no religion' is around 20% w...Ok, data for 'no religion' is around 20% who think it's wrong. For Anglicans, around 37%. For Catholics, around 40%.<br /><br />http://www.brin.ac.uk/figures/attitudes-towards-gay-rights/<br /><br />You might also note that the least favourable religious group is 'other religion' lumping together Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and the rest.<br /><br />We called also check this US research into attitudes to gay marriage which finds that Muslims aren't scoring highly in the USA on this matter, either.<br /><br />http://2tzms222h2ff3dfce824gngnno8.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2015/06/Homosexuality-society-ranking-02.png<br /><br />But all of this is missing the point, which is this pretence that despite polls showing Muslim attitudes, that they aren't. Most moderate Christians wouldn't throw a 'how daw you' card out if you said that lots of Christians are homophobic bigots.<br /><br />I mean, Warsi even wrote leaflets condemning the end of Section 28 and the equalisation of the be of consent less than a decade ago, so, it's a bit rich of her to complain.<br />Tim Almondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369256383976094670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-37614699178926713092016-04-12T12:56:51.067+01:002016-04-12T12:56:51.067+01:00"I wouldn't be surprised if 50 per cent o..."I wouldn't be surprised if 50 per cent of non-Muslims would say in private that they think homosexuality should be illegal." R.T<br /><br />You might be right. We tend to think of ourselves 'today' as both modern thinking and inclusive but only a relatively short time ago we were homophobic bigots...many just learned to keep quiet about it.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-92230897013805684052016-04-12T12:29:12.291+01:002016-04-12T12:29:12.291+01:00Love the Beeb. Love it. Absolutely ... er ... love...Love the Beeb. Love it. Absolutely ... er ... love it. Yeah. Fabulously well balanced. [Yawn, I gits bored].James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-69275540834399871922016-04-12T11:23:38.537+01:002016-04-12T11:23:38.537+01:00Apparently, the majority of Muslims polled think t...Apparently, the majority of Muslims polled think that homosexuality should be illegal. In that case, why do they find such pleasure in buggering young boys? Perhaps male paedophilic rape doesn't count in their world?Penseivathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12891041602104672626noreply@blogger.com