tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post1316850776523806122..comments2024-03-05T10:52:24.691+00:00Comments on Mark Wadsworth: Not Often I Agree With Trade Unions, But...Mark Wadsworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-8295612325310549652014-07-21T13:40:03.080+01:002014-07-21T13:40:03.080+01:00If the membership of the union in the workforce is...If the membership of the union in the workforce is 50% , and 50% of the union members cast a vote and a strike is called on the majority result of that vote , thats 50% again. That is a Strike from the vote of 50% * 50% * 50%. <br /><br />That is 12%.Dinerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14632385731642361211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-8879985750993726112014-07-20T22:05:09.393+01:002014-07-20T22:05:09.393+01:00PaulC: there's a balance to the state-sanction...PaulC: there's a balance to the state-sanctioned strong unions thing as well. In the Nordics, unions are perfectly able to enact de-facto minimum wages that are unviable in less favoured areas. That's more or less the sole reason why we have variable employers NIC by areas.Kjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13530243002915410700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-46424874489443365012014-07-20T16:11:41.380+01:002014-07-20T16:11:41.380+01:00As a compromise, how about <50% turn out, the r...As a compromise, how about <50% turn out, the right to picket is voided?<br /><br />benjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11544297406005346095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-1253446746299868242014-07-19T19:54:06.018+01:002014-07-19T19:54:06.018+01:00Of course in a poorly organised country you could ...Of course in a poorly organised country you could have an economic revival where real wages go down because of the absence of union involvement.Followed by an absence of consumer demand and all the cheap credit being invested in property Could n't happen here then.DBC Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17891849727783879145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-29787123202611820632014-07-19T16:47:55.114+01:002014-07-19T16:47:55.114+01:00There are a couple of points worth making re union...There are a couple of points worth making re unions, for the sake of balance if nowt else.<br />We already have a good deal of legislation regarding unions. More than most of our continental neighbours I believe. There could come a point whereby virtue of central diktat, unions are effectively made redundant since anything they might have done to 'effectively' represent their workforce might no longer be open to them. This sounds pretty authoritarian to me in principle. Hence I would be against any further legislation unless it was done in consultation with the unions. <br /> For example, it's been pretty obvious for weeks now that unions have been calling on the coalition to consult with them over ways in which unions can get a larger number of their members to take part in ballots. ie; using workplace balloting [not show of hands]and internet ballots rather than just postal ballots, half of which get consigned to the recycle bin with the rest of the daily deluge of circulars. The government haven't responded to this sensible request because they couldn't give a flying f*k about the numbers taking part in ballots. They are just giving free reign to their despotic/authoritarian tendencies.<br />As an anti authoritarian I find this objectionable.<br /><br />A second point is that one of the consequences of weakened unions is increased regulation. There's good reason and evidence to suggest that where unions retain some strength there is less need for regulation of the workplace. Unions would take care of concerns on a case by case basis. For example in Nordic countries strong unions have negated the need for minimum wage laws whereas in countries where union membership is weaker like France and Greece minimum wage legislation is favoured. It would be far more efficient to have unions with workplace backing and support than a one size fits all bible of regulatory requirements emanating from Whitehall. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-68489226828088056402014-07-19T16:33:40.816+01:002014-07-19T16:33:40.816+01:00"The real problem is the simple majority voti..."The real problem is the simple majority voting system."<br /><br />Well, that's a different problem, but if the main parties knew they had to get at least 50% of the electorate to vote for them, they'd have to try a lot harder. Even 50% of the vote would be a challenge in many constituencies, as would a 50% turn-out.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-48419022310486182892014-07-19T14:13:36.786+01:002014-07-19T14:13:36.786+01:00Lola,
And the best way to deal with that is to ge...Lola,<br /><br />And the best way to deal with that is to get them to strike and get the public to accept alternative ways that will kill off the unions.<br /><br />In my lifetime there's been 1 strike that was won without a longer-term loss which was the ambulancemen, who when they told people why had a lot of public support.<br /><br />Teachers complaining they've hardly got a pay rise? Nor have lots of people for years.Tim Almondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369256383976094670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-75958872410321680862014-07-19T08:52:28.887+01:002014-07-19T08:52:28.887+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-34465233551749550942014-07-19T08:52:15.244+01:002014-07-19T08:52:15.244+01:00It's the special privileges granted to unions ...It's the special privileges granted to unions that annoy me. It gives them a licence for coercion. And therefore I do not agree with the right to strike. If you don't like the pay and conditions, resign.Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-73621961998170316702014-07-18T23:51:13.323+01:002014-07-18T23:51:13.323+01:00RT,
You're pretty much right. We no longer hav...RT,<br />You're pretty much right. We no longer have the coal fires, ropey electrics, 3 bar fires and valve TV sets. Our furniture is all flame retardent. Things are fused, we have smoke detectors. Plus, we all smoke less and cook less deep fried food.<br /><br />Bayard,<br />The real problem is the simple majority voting system. There's evidence that marginal seats have a much higher turnout than safe ones.Tim Almondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369256383976094670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-77441375272340704882014-07-18T19:29:16.016+01:002014-07-18T19:29:16.016+01:00Agreed, of course. But RT and B nail it.Agreed, of course. But RT and B nail it.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-10204059884042579712014-07-18T19:17:54.428+01:002014-07-18T19:17:54.428+01:00"We don't nullify elections or parliameta..."We don't nullify elections or parliametary votes because not enough people turned up."<br /><br />Well, if we did, and applied the same rules as they want to to the unions, we wouldn't have this rotten shower in office. Or the other lot. In fact, it sounds like a capital idea.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-86430667998230270492014-07-18T18:14:44.427+01:002014-07-18T18:14:44.427+01:00For the past year I have worked in a building next...For the past year I have worked in a building next to a Fire Station. I pass it at least twice a day, and I can see it out of the office window.<br /><br />In the past year on not one occasion have I seen or heard a fire engine going out on a call. Never even seen the doors open or an engine on the front courtyard.<br /><br />Somebody said that modern fire protection techniques are so good that they simply don't have anything to do anymore. Even when I knew a fireman personally in the 1990s he had an extra job because he had so much spare time.<br /><br />Yet there have been some forlorn notices outside over the past few days (with nobody stood by them) saying they are on strike over pay and pensions.Rich Teehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14037296506942507747noreply@blogger.com