tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post8319727911697033469..comments2024-03-05T10:52:24.691+00:00Comments on Mark Wadsworth: King Arthur and The Twelve Disciples of Sherwood ForestMark Wadsworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-32818312738957337682013-07-21T06:36:53.805+01:002013-07-21T06:36:53.805+01:00@mw Would n't go so far as to claim Elvis is d...@mw Would n't go so far as to claim Elvis is divine only that he conforms to a lot of the criteria for the Hero in literature. Its not common or possible for a hero to tick all the heroic boxes (and I am not sure miraculous birth is one of them) but Elvis over-fulfils the not really dead criterion. Type Elvis not dead into Google and it comes up with well over 17 million responses. Although, from the most cursory of glances, some of these appear of the "Oh yes he is, you idiots" variety, that still leaves<br /> double digit millions thinking He Will Return! and that's only those who can be arsed to go sufficiently public with their beliefs to end up on Google. There is an Elvis sightings society.DBC Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17891849727783879145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-34020902984593945712013-07-20T16:11:21.474+01:002013-07-20T16:11:21.474+01:00Tks for comment about post....
RC should have bee...Tks for comment about post....<br /><br />RC should have been RH... my tiping is shete and i reely mist proff read pproperly before hitting sund bitton.<br /><br />As for Santa and St Nick, there you, down to perspectives.... my kids always had Santa fill their stockings hanging at the foot of the bed.... St Nick always reminded me a a religious character [immaterial whether he is or not] but I elected to go for the king of the consumerist world and we had Santa.....<br /><br />The joke being I love going to my local church on Christmas eve to rejoice the birth of JC... awaying in a manager whilst we watch our flocks at night.... reminds me of being a kid.<br /><br />That's what happens going to a CoF primary school.... your formative years brain washed.ageing manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12913665856316754730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-78940186646974351622013-07-19T18:39:57.493+01:002013-07-19T18:39:57.493+01:00B, OK, there's Thomas, but he has no "bac...B, OK, there's Thomas, but he has no "back story".<br /><br />As to the JC/MM marriage, I've seen those programmes as well, but I'm trying to stick to the most widely believed version of each of these myths, as suitably embroidered and edited to suit current political convenience.<br /> <br />L, yes of course, that is the whole reason for making him a minor artistocrat. So TPTB can "sell" the story as Robin trying to "reclaim" his own personal land, rather than him implementing a rough and ready LVT-CI system.<br /><br />AM, who is "RC"?<br /><br />That's a good post BTW, only Santa doesn't go into kids' bedrooms, he goes to the room downstairs where the tree is. It's St Nicholas who does the stockings.<br /><br />WY, one of the miracles of "Charlemagne" (or Karl Der Grosse, as I know him) is that he was born in dozens of different places. Every third or fourth village or town in the south of Germany has a little plaque or shrine saying "KdG was born here".<br /><br />DBC, yes, Elvis is a semi-divine figure, he did the "rose from humble background" and "fight against adversity" and "betrayal" (Tom Parker, enlisting) and "dying young" bits well enough, but he's missing the "miraculous circumstances of birth" bit, and he was quite happily married and had a daughter.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-32917291917063508242013-07-19T17:57:08.984+01:002013-07-19T17:57:08.984+01:00In the study of literature there is a great deal o...In the study of literature there is a great deal of discussion of the hero and whether a character conforms to the pattern. Can't remember the criteria now ,but epic scope (ie his story affects the fate of nations)and being betrayed and killed unjustly figure a lot. Also after having been betrayed by a coward, he is somehow or another not really dead.<br />I tried to convince my students that Elvis was such a hero but they would n't buy it, as so often.DBC Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17891849727783879145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-70133154255354080162013-07-19T15:57:58.213+01:002013-07-19T15:57:58.213+01:00A more interesting case is Charlemagne, who whilst...A more interesting case is Charlemagne, who whilst being a fully historical figure with loads of documentation and even an extant biography, has somehow become semi-detached and drifted off some way into the land of legend.<br /><br />It's strange how these things go.Weekend Yachtsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04262853091154005651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-52220590429351000342013-07-19T11:41:55.869+01:002013-07-19T11:41:55.869+01:00Phew.... I knew the Tooth fairy is real because lo...Phew.... I knew the Tooth fairy is real because looking at my gob, you can see where I get my wealth from.<br /><br />But it was I who said Jesus was masquerading as RH. <br /><br />The thing is I grew up in RH land and I remember as a young child being taken by my school to RH's oak tree in Sherwood Forest and sitting inside it. [I don't think you can get near it these days]. <br /><br />But my school convinced me of the reality of RH. It was a CofE school and they also convinced me of the reality of JC. <br /><br />Back then I was young, stupid and unquestioning. Now I am old, stupid and question everything.<br /><br />So the reality [in my head at least] is that JC is no more RC than I am Brad Pitt or that I will score the winning goal in a FA cup final.<br /><br />But when you look at the shit we are fed as kids, is it any different as adults ?.... <br /><br />so whether its JC, RH, Bogey Man in the wardrobe, Al-qaeda, BinLaden....identities can be very interchangeable.... just depends on what controlling perspective you want to create....<br /><br />Alas even the great santa is now at risk...<br /><br />http://newageingman.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/itsssssssssss-christmasbut-try-and.htmlageing manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12913665856316754730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-31595630914339371652013-07-19T10:00:26.126+01:002013-07-19T10:00:26.126+01:00MW - also apologies for missing your footnote. I ...MW - also apologies for missing your footnote. I was reading and posting in the sunshine on my terrace.<br /><br />I have fairly often had the argument that RH was an anti landlord libertarian, especially in connection with the ludicrous 'Robin Hood Tax' meme to justify a Tobin tax.Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-56223046743803380892013-07-19T09:56:48.836+01:002013-07-19T09:56:48.836+01:00MW It therefore seems that libertarianims and Geor...MW It therefore seems that libertarianims and Georgeism are in the English psyche. Good oh!Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-79130635192570164122013-07-19T08:50:11.029+01:002013-07-19T08:50:11.029+01:00"Is there anything interesting to say about t..."Is there anything interesting to say about the rest?"<br /><br />There's "Doubting Thomas", who always seemed to me to be a reasonable character and went off to India to found his own church.<br /><br />"JC: Not clear whether Maria Magdalena is supposed to be his girlfriend or not, but they never marry or have children."<br /><br />There's quite a large school of thought that holds that JC did marry MM and that the "wedding in Cana" where JC turns the water into wine, was their wedding, but she was downgraded by later clerics who wanted to justify a celibate clergy. (also that they had children and that the "Holy Grail" is not some cup or other, but the Sangreal or the royal blood, i.e. JC's bloodline, as memorably publicised by Dan Brown. <br /><br />Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-61392365173569919312013-07-19T07:54:05.161+01:002013-07-19T07:54:05.161+01:00L, yes of course he was a proto-Gerogist and liber...L, yes of course he was a proto-Gerogist and libertarian, but I relegated that to the footnote because that was not the point of the post.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-3137175875800721652013-07-19T07:52:02.118+01:002013-07-19T07:52:02.118+01:00I do not think that RH 'robbed the rich'. ...I do not think that RH 'robbed the rich'. To me it looks like he robbed the rent seeking classes and the illegitimate authority figure of the Sheriff of Nottingham. The 'rich' he robbed were often the Church - the mega-corporation of his day, and other landowners.<br /><br />Two questions. Was RH an early Georgist? Was he a libertarian?Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-72166522355102246482013-07-19T07:43:12.874+01:002013-07-19T07:43:12.874+01:00AM, Santa is real, as is Tooth Fairy.
And I neve...AM, Santa is real, as is Tooth Fairy. <br /><br />And I never said Jesus masqueraded as Robin Hood, Jesus was the original and elements of the Robin Hood mythology are based on Jesus.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-90197266682594912712013-07-19T00:54:39.673+01:002013-07-19T00:54:39.673+01:00Next you'll be suggesting Santa Claus is not r...Next you'll be suggesting Santa Claus is not real..... please don't, I wouldn't be able to cope with the disappointment....<br /><br />Thra...... who'd have thought it ..... Jesus masquerading as Robin Hood.ageing manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12913665856316754730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-37121502591035462762013-07-19T00:26:50.964+01:002013-07-19T00:26:50.964+01:00IH, yes, in real life Robin Hood is an amalgam of ...IH, yes, in real life Robin Hood is an amalgam of lots of real life robbers, many of whom will have behaved like the Krays, <br /><br />I was referring to the idealised Robin Hood figure of legend.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-6124847232747134682013-07-18T23:49:15.221+01:002013-07-18T23:49:15.221+01:00Chances are the medieval outlaws were really rural...Chances are the medieval outlaws were really rural versions of the Kray gang. Yes, they looked after the poor - the twins' part of London was the safest in town, and they gave money to gangsters' widows too - and in return the locals looked after them, hiding their stash and doing little jobs for them. But like the Krays, medieval gangs kept most of the loot for themselves.Ian Hillshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12619977137431223237noreply@blogger.com