tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post2690696764741020529..comments2024-03-05T10:52:24.691+00:00Comments on Mark Wadsworth: Child BenefitMark Wadsworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-27604261474784708802016-02-04T17:35:13.068+00:002016-02-04T17:35:13.068+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-78003035201187140032016-02-03T23:51:57.706+00:002016-02-03T23:51:57.706+00:00so a Euro wide citizens' income would solve a ...so a Euro wide citizens' income would solve a lot of problems....wouldn't it?Graemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11007306140530173428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-87188715234092104162016-02-03T21:00:05.384+00:002016-02-03T21:00:05.384+00:00> mombers
so that poses the question , how is ...> mombers<br /><br />so that poses the question , how is the personal allowance for tax taken into consideration for the income tax for for migrant workers.Dinerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14632385731642361211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-27163937202397001722016-02-03T20:27:39.486+00:002016-02-03T20:27:39.486+00:00How do they check that the children even exist?
A...<i>How do they check that the children even exist?</i><br /><br />Apparently, they check birth-certificates, then contact the local population registry and social security administration in the country in question. I've asked an aquaintance in our social security administration if they actually do this, and he says they do.Kjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13530243002915410700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-1073180698689478152016-02-03T20:10:45.965+00:002016-02-03T20:10:45.965+00:00What are the current rules in the UK Mark? Here, C...What are the current rules in the UK Mark? Here, CB is paid for the child of an EEA-Citizen residing and working in Norway for more than 12 months. If he/she has children in their home country, ok, let's use Poland as an example, CB is paid out. The really fun, bureacratic part however, is that if the parent in Poland claims something similar to CB there, the difference between the value of the Polish benefit and the Norwegian CB is paid out.<br />I also say fair play to foreign workers earning the same benefits as everyone else. But CB is universal and not related to work Income, it's common sense that it should be paid out where the child actually resides and at local rates. Not that this is terribly expensive though, CB is small pennies.Kjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13530243002915410700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-78735519093622522612016-02-03T19:49:32.849+00:002016-02-03T19:49:32.849+00:00M, fair point. I doubt whether many would, seeing ...M, fair point. I doubt whether many would, seeing as bringing up a child here is a negative sum exercise if you are working.<br /><br />JB, that doesn't really makes sense. Old age pensions have always been treated differently, and as a general rule, you can move where you like and still claim it. Depending on where you go, the amounts are uprated with CPI or not as the case may be. <br /><br />And it is still double counting - if the UK has to pay pensions to old UK criminals on the Costa Del Sol, then the Polish* government should pay their equivalent of WTC to Polish plumbers and waitresses over here.<br /><br />Din, the point is - and I have been saying this for ten years - EU rules say that workers of whatever nationality must be treated the same. That is all fine and good. So "in work" benefits clearly have to be paid to foreigners (it is negative income tax). But this does not apply to non-contributory and non-work related benefits - so yet again, a Citizen's Income wins the day.<br /><br />And why should we pay CB at 'the local rate'? Surely, the Polish government is already paying this at the local rate to children in Poland.<br /><br />* I'm not singling out Poles. They are nice people on the whole, if a tad racist.<br /><br />M, no we can't. That would clearly be unfair and against the rules. But as to a Citizen's Income, we can make up our own rules.who gets it, the clue is in the name.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-74920619576851456442016-02-03T17:23:30.153+00:002016-02-03T17:23:30.153+00:00@D exactly - benefits are just negative income tax...@D exactly - benefits are just negative income tax if you're in work. Would they make the personal allowance available to citizens only?mombershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09650866436764567516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-13959465733900447462016-02-03T14:51:40.449+00:002016-02-03T14:51:40.449+00:00The PM at PMQs has just says it is his intention t...The PM at PMQs has just says it is his intention to pay CB at the "local rate".<br /><br /><br />As for not paying out of work benefits to EU migrants , I can see that it could be asserted that that policy does not square with continuing to charge them income tax and national insurance. Dinerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14632385731642361211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-76670698106413706522016-02-03T14:33:19.172+00:002016-02-03T14:33:19.172+00:00"How do they check that the children even exi... "How do they check that the children even exist?"<br />similarly how do they know what the economic circumstances of a migrant claimant are.Dinerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14632385731642361211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-27168442619975160692016-02-03T14:03:21.411+00:002016-02-03T14:03:21.411+00:00The UK rule change that made this one work was to ...The UK rule change that made this one work was to do with UK pensioners in Spain - they didn't much like the idea of living on the Spanish equivalent of income support - so as a result UK folks living elsewhere in Europe get the same benefits they would if they weren't.<br /><br />We could stop this in a heartbeat within EU rules if we refused to pay UK money to UK folks living elsewhere in Europe, but for as long as we do, it's seen as unsporting to make Polish chaps working in the UK pay full UK tax whilst not giving them the benefits that some retired crim in the Costa del Sol is given.john bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13784096180652522939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-67730556205655024522016-02-03T14:02:30.659+00:002016-02-03T14:02:30.659+00:00If they don't want more people coming, surely ...If they don't want more people coming, surely making getting CB contingent on bringing your child is going to have the opposite effect???mombershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09650866436764567516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-48642311280630650002016-02-03T14:00:30.398+00:002016-02-03T14:00:30.398+00:00RT and P, fair points both.RT and P, fair points both.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-1241107328560973152016-02-03T12:54:53.673+00:002016-02-03T12:54:53.673+00:00@RT. I'm neither in favour nor against immigra...@RT. I'm neither in favour nor against immigration per se but as I understand it few people expect a reduction of benefits to have much effect. Availability of jobs is the main draw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-57344605126290737922016-02-03T09:25:54.919+00:002016-02-03T09:25:54.919+00:00What makes me laugh is that everybody in favour of...What makes me laugh is that everybody in favour of immigration insists that people do not come to Britain for the benefits, but when Cameron said he wanted to restrict benefits for immigrants the loudest protest came from the Polish PM who insisted that would be discriminatory.Rich Teehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14037296506942507747noreply@blogger.com