tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post2476538991559971363..comments2024-03-05T10:52:24.691+00:00Comments on Mark Wadsworth: Fair play to ASHMark Wadsworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-85643763050485088832014-08-27T09:52:11.794+01:002014-08-27T09:52:11.794+01:00"Average life span in UK 70 years."
Are..."Average life span in UK 70 years."<br /><br />Are you sure that's still true?<br /><br />"50,000 smokers die (say) 10 years younger"<br /><br />This is a key statistic (the number of years younger smokers die) so it makes a nonsense of the conclusion if you simply guess it. What if it were 5, or 2?Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-58914767968418489322014-08-27T08:03:12.847+01:002014-08-27T08:03:12.847+01:00I agree. Sorry, should have left my name - Roobeed...I agree. Sorry, should have left my name - Roobeedoo.<br /><br />I got a letter from my MP last year citing the 80k figure, and thought at the time that the figure is BS. Now ASH have upped it. I wonder how long before the DoH start quoting the higher figure.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09230459369848039353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-65025293051244002682014-08-27T07:36:46.404+01:002014-08-27T07:36:46.404+01:00JM, to be honest, yes I do. Keen ASH-watcher and a...JM, to be honest, yes I do. Keen ASH-watcher and arch cynic Dick Puddlecote has also noticed a softening of their stance towards e-cigs.<br /><br />SL, that seems very plausible to me.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-10760090353138455172014-08-26T21:14:12.679+01:002014-08-26T21:14:12.679+01:00ASH are folk who hate smokers, tobacco companies a...ASH are folk who hate smokers, tobacco companies and the smell of tobacco smoke. E cigs might reduce demand for tobacco, therefore they might be a good thing.<br /><br />WHO are folk who represent the health and pharma industry. E cigs might reduce demand for their products and services, therefore they are a bad thing.<br /><br />Simples.Steven_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029437876479574883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-820653433340409792014-08-26T19:32:40.627+01:002014-08-26T19:32:40.627+01:00Do you really believe that? I say ASH are trying t...Do you really believe that? I say ASH are trying to play it both sides, by publicly disowning the idea whilst privately lobbying the WHO for it's implementation.<br /><br />All part of brand management, making ASH seem reasonable...John Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07437765041360086205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-46367217654818156902014-08-26T18:54:57.558+01:002014-08-26T18:54:57.558+01:00B, OK, let's do the maths.
500,000 people die...B, OK, let's do the maths.<br /><br />500,000 people die in the UK each year.<br /><br />One-fifth were smokers = 100,000<br /><br />Half of those die earlier because of smoking = 50,000<br /><br />Average life span in UK 70 years.<br /><br />50,000 smokers die (say) 10 years younger = one-seventh of a life "lost"<br /><br />50,000 x one-seventh = 7,000 life equivalents lost.<br /><br />That's about three times as many as die in car crashes.<br /><br />So big deal, really.<br /><br />Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-83733552776526214132014-08-26T18:45:12.800+01:002014-08-26T18:45:12.800+01:00No it isn't and it becomes even less impressiv...No it isn't and it becomes even less impressive when you add in how many years their lifespan is shortened by and what they would be doing in those missed years, i.e. having a shit time of it in an old people's home. 'Twas not for nothing that pneumonia was called the "old man's friend".Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-8657404074195258092014-08-26T18:22:12.830+01:002014-08-26T18:22:12.830+01:00U, see update.
AKH, I've heard lots of people...U, see update.<br /><br />AKH, I've heard lots of people say that they smoke a lot less once they started vamping. Fair enough. <br /><br />VFTS, yes of course. <br /><br />B, yes, like I said the correct phrase is "shorten the life span of about 50,000 people a year" which is no big deal, is it?Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-55725489182724422772014-08-26T17:17:24.868+01:002014-08-26T17:17:24.868+01:00"accounting for more than 80,000 deaths each ..."accounting for more than 80,000 deaths each year",<br /><br />which implies, like so many of the bansturbators' statistics, that if those people had just given up whatever the bansturbator is trying to ban, they would have become immortal.Bayardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211150959757982948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-7564128449958085292014-08-26T16:31:38.931+01:002014-08-26T16:31:38.931+01:00AKH,
I wonder who manufacture and sell the expensi...AKH,<br />I wonder who manufacture and sell the expensive nicotine gums and patches? Both of which can be dangerous for the very young.View from the Solenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00930587784230398787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-9823809339719418972014-08-26T15:47:16.635+01:002014-08-26T15:47:16.635+01:00"there should be no claims that the devices c..."there should be no claims that the devices can help people quit smoking - until there is evidence to support this."<br /><br />People create their own evidence simply by trying these devices. From comments I see they are moderately effective, but maybe Big Pharma doesn't like them.A K Haarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05897490979828603179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141932539860553199.post-88398902530851776222014-08-26T14:32:21.071+01:002014-08-26T14:32:21.071+01:0080,000 deaths per year according to Smokefree NHS ...80,000 deaths per year according to Smokefree NHS - ASH's figure is higher:<br /><br />http://www.nhs.uk/smokefree/why-quit/smoking-health-problemsUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09230459369848039353noreply@blogger.com